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Planned Parenthood Says God Approves of Abortion

Let’s just get this out there. Planned Parenthood is a disgusting organization that has helped commit the greatest genocide our planet has ever seen – the legalized slaughter of almost 60 Million people since 1973.

I don’t expect anything but lies and hate to spew from the mouths of Planned Parenthood’s leaders. However, a recent letter sent from this monstrous organization took disgusting to a whole new level. Something called The Planned Parenthood Federation of America Clergy Advocacy Board recently sent a letter out across the nation to let people know that God was cool with abortion.

(A small sidenote: There are times when people on the left think that Christians voters may be too sure that we are on the right side of an issue because of our faith. I’m not sure that we can argue that Jesus would be for a smaller tax burden (for example). And there are times that liberals think they have some claim to the moral high ground – the welfare state being an example. Abortion, however, is not one of those “murky” subjects.)

So, the Clergy Advocacy Board sends this letter. Here is what it says.

The decision to have an abortion is personal. Though your reasons may be complicated and private, you’re not alone. As religious leaders from a number of religious traditions, we’re here to support you in your decision.

abortionmolechMany people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures — Jewish or Christian — and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision. The beliefs of each person are deserving of respect, and each person deserves care and compassion, No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.

We believe this decision is yours, made with your doctor and anyone else you choose to bring into the conversation, such as a spouse, partner, parent, or clergyperson. Our religious traditions have somewhat different opinions about abortion, but we share some basic understandings:

 No one knows the circumstances of your life as well as you know them; no one knows what’s in your heart better than you. Allow yourself to be at peace with your decision.

 God loves you and is with you no matter what you decide. You can find strength, understanding, and comfort in that love.

Our hope for you is for peace in your heart.

This is a specious argument. The reason for any decision may be complicated, personal, private, etc. There are also many things that religious scriptures, primarily the Bible, are “specifically” silent on. That doesn’t mean there is a lot of room for argument about their moral standing. For that matter, there are many things that the Bible is not silent about that Planned Parenthood has no problem with.

The “clergy board” also makes this ridiculous statement –

The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures — Jewish or Christian — and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

BonhoefferThe word “abortion” does not ever appear in the Bible. That’s true. Everything else about this statement is a load of manure.

No honest Biblical scholar believes that abortion is morally justifiable using Scripture.

Let’s just cover factual ground.

Abortion is the purposeful ending of an innocent human life. I mean innocent as “without fault” – the child has not done anything to welcome the wrath of the parent. The child is not a soldier for an enemy army, neither does the child threaten the parent’s life out of its own volition.

Killing another person (and an unborn child is another person – even if you call them a fetus – the science on this is CLEAR) who is innocent of any crime or act of violence against you is called murder. The Bible calls all murder wrong – in fact, it does so multiple times in the Old and New Testament. And liberals will love this… even Jesus specifically condemns murder!

So CLEARLY – the Bible does indeed teach that abortion is morally unacceptable and not God’s will.

There are more passages of Scripture that also attest to this truth.

Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward” (Psalm 127:3).

God knows the preborn child. “You knit me in my mother’s womb . . . nor was my frame unknown to you when I was made in secret” (Psalm 139:13,15). God also helps and calls the preborn child. “You have been my guide since I was first formed . . . from my mother’s womb you are my God” (Psalm 22:10-11). “God… from my mother’s womb had set me apart and called me through his grace” (St. Paul to the Galatians 1:15).

 “They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight” (2 Kings 17:17-18).

No matter what a few liberals with a religious profession say – the Bible’s teaching on murder and abortion are crystal clear. If you want to justify the legalized murder of 60 million people, do it without defaming the name of the One True God. 

The views expressed in this opinion article are solely those of their author and are not necessarily either shared or endorsed by EagleRising.com


About the author

Onan Coca

Onan is the Editor-in-Chief at Romulus Marketing. He's also the managing editor at Eaglerising.com, Constitution.com and the managing partner at iPatriot.com. You can read more of his writing at Eagle Rising.
Onan is a graduate of Liberty University (2003) and earned his M.Ed. at Western Governors University in 2012. Onan lives in Atlanta with his wife and their three wonderful children.

  • knight2

    Onan, excellent article. I agree with all of it. Need to remember that we live in a fallen darkened world. And most people live in that darkness in the world system. But there is “hope” for everyone and free choice to crawl out of that hole. I have seen Jesus change hearts, change minds and change lives. We can change as a people and as a nation.

    • Onan Coca

      I agree… and pray that our fellow Americans soon see abortion for what it is. A holocaust and our national sin.

      • suzyshopper

        And national shame!

  • ConflictedChristian

    Honestly, I agree with you, abortion is a sin, quite obviously, according to the Bible. But I also have to agree with the Advocacy Board on one point, “No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else”. If you believe that abortion is awful, the please, keep your baby, regardless of the circumstances of its conception. But what right do we, as Christians, have to force our beliefs on others? By trying to shape American political policy with Biblical law, are we no better than the Muslims trying to force Islamic law upon the nation? How can we justify forcing our laws, when we condemn those of the Islamic faith for doing the same thing?

    • ninna rubinsky

      have you lost it should we just stand by and let the devil kill our sons and daughters by the 1000’s without saying a word do you really think that GOD will aprove of this? The USA laws are taken from the 10 commandments so should we discard the law now because it’s taken from the Bible, I really don’t think your a Christian

      • Jgahring

        You are so right ninna, the easiest way for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. To accept the thought that we should do nothing to stop the slaughter of innocent children just because it is not politically correct to stand up for our beliefs is far from what Christians should be.

    • CD Cross

      Your logic is skewed. If I saw a street sign called North Street but the sign was covered up with paint, the street whose sign it represents does not vanish. It remains North Street. If I display a sign that shows an arrow pointing to a cliff on a mountain road, but I move the sign in a different direction, the cliff does not vanish. It remains just as dangerous as before. Many people will go headlong over the cliff because they did not pay attention to the newly, misguided direction of the sign. By the way, the Christian doesn’t have to force anyone to read and obey the sign, but what the sign represents doesn’t go away. If you seriously believe, as you stated, that “abortion is a sin,” how can you make it a sin of your own choosing? God said that all sin brings death (“The wages of sin is death”) A wage is something you earn; a sin earns you the payment of death—regardless of whether you refuse to see the warnings of the sign.

    • EMcF

      We tend to think that way because the pro-abortion left has been screaming it at us for the last 40 years. But we have to ask WHY we think abortion is wrong. If it is morally wrong for some, then it is morally wrong for all. To think otherwise is to adopt moral relativism, the idea that morality changes from one person to another or from one culture or country to the next and that whatever a person believes is acceptable. Each person gets to decide for himself or herself what is right or wrong, but this thinking rejects the idea of a higher Being and essentially allows us to each become our own god.

      If we accept the left’s argument which says, “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one but don’t tell ME what to do,” then we have to accept that we can apply the same argument in other situations. “You don’t like slavery? Well, don’t own a slave, but stay out of my business.” “You think Nazi imprisonment and murder of Jewish people is wrong, then don’t participate, but you have no right to tell the Nazis what to do.” “You may think rape is immoral for YOU, but you don’t get to decide what is moral for other people. What right do you have to impose your morals on anyone else?” We can make the same argument for any action, and in the end we would have absolutely no enforceable laws whatsoever because, as the left says, morality is relative and nobody gets to impose their own morals on anyone else.

    • Judy

      Where do you think planned parent hood gets it’s money. From tax payers. And how many of those taxpayers do not believe in abortion. The government is forcing this on us whether we agree with it or not. You want to kill your baby fine you have to answer to God for what you have done but pay for it yourself don’t use taxpayer money to commit murder.

      • Dissenter13a

        What does it do with that money? Provide health care services that have nothing to do with abortion.

        • Judy

          The majority of planned parenthoods money goes for abortions.

          • Dissenter13a

            Wrong. Read their financials.

          • Judy

            Go do some reseaech they do not provide the services they claim which clears up more money for qbortions. For every adoption they provide they provide over a hundred murders. They are nothing more than a baby killing clinic and are pushing for even more taxpayer dollars. They need to be shut down along with all the abortin clinics funded by taxpayer money. You don’t want a kid keep you legs together. Taxpayers should not have to pay for your immoral lifestyle

          • Dissenter13a

            Male bovine excrement!!! PP provides women’s health care services, including breast cancer screenings. The vast majority of their revenues are for those services; about 3% of revenues are from abortions, which are almost always paid by patients.

            You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

          • EMcF

            There is not one single PP in the country, not one, which provides breast cancer screenings. PP can do nothing more than tell women to go to a legitimate gynecologist. See above post referring you to the books and testimony of former PP workers who explain why that “3%” number is entirely untrue.

            “You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.” You, like many, have been duped by PP’s talking points.

          • EMcF

            Wrong. Go read Abby Johnson’s book “Unplanned,” or review congressional testimony given by former PP employees who have exposed how PP cooks the books and manipulates numbers to try to convince the world that abortion is a small part of what it does.

  • Michelle Hussein

    I’m a very conservative Tea party Republican. But the Bible does state that life of mankind does not begin until he/she takes their first breath AFTER BIRTH of the child.

    Genesis 1:2-7

    7 Then the L-RD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and then man became a living soul.

    Exodus 21:22-

    22 And if men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow, he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

    23 But if any harm (death) follow to the woman, then thou shalt give life for life.

    Maybe it is better to remain deaf to the word of the L-rd G-d instead of what you believe to be true in your own gut.

    • Hummmm… I’m curious….. Why do you omit the “o” from Lord and God?….

      • Michelle Hussein

        There is one of the Ten Commandments in your bible that says, “You shall not take the name of the L-rd G-d in vain.”

        Ergo, I choose to follow the bible when it would, in my opinion, violate this commandment of G-d.

      • CD Cross

        Some Jews spell God as G-d. This has its origin in the third commandment, “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain” (Exo. 20:7). …William Arnold III
        So it is an attempt to insure that God’s name is not taken lightly and that we might not accidentally do that. God is Holy. Christians however accept that God is to be revered and respected as the Author of the Universe and the Creator of mankind and that the name given to Him preserves His integrity as the great and mighty God He is.

        • Michelle Hussein

          Yep your correct. Everybody practices their beliefs as they believe. You have yours and others have theirs.

    • horrible deplorable raynbene

      Don’t bother posting any more taqqiya here – the initial act of Creation did indeed begin the continuous cycle of birth, life and death. To believe a baby is not alive until birth is completely absurd ! If it was true, why do we need abortions ?

      • I agree a baby is a baby when it is conceived…. Women just don’t go around carrying dead babies in their wombs with life only being found after the baby is born.

      • suzyshopper

        The Bible says God forms the child in the womb, he knows us even before we are Born.The Bible says thou shalt not kill, if u look up the word kill in a Greek concordance it says murder, human being, the last time I checked a fetus is a human being.So u are wrong but u will never admit,it because you have your own agenda too push. God will hold u responsible for leading his ppl astray.

  • John

    Allow yourself to be at peace with your decision.

    Sounds like these “clergy” totally missed the point of Judges 21:25

    And in those days there was no king in Israel. Each man did was was right in their own eyes.

    The King they refer to there is speaking of God. They didn’t follow God. They did whatever they felt like. Just like we are today.

    • Michelle Hussein

      John you are quoting those days long before the Law was given to Israel and during the times of the sons of Issac. There was no Hebrew people with a king before Moses. You should not take things out of context and place meanings of things that would come in the future time. Jesus was not born until the time of the Temples when the Hebrew people were living in the land of Israel.

      • horrible deplorable raynbene

        Did you read his post ? Check your edition of whatever Bible you have, you’ll notice he quoted from Judges, which was long after the time of Moses. Are you a Christian, by the way ??

        • John

          Thanks raynbene. Simply noting that we have “clergy” who would have us follow the way of the Hebrews (after Moses, after Joshua) who rejected God as their King. Glad that someone understood what I was saying.

          • horrible deplorable raynbene

            I think ‘michelle’ is just another muslim troll, here to stir up doubt and get people rattled – ‘her’ posts are sheer nonsense – if ‘she’s’ a Tea Party Republican, I’m Ish Kabibble the IV . . .

        • Michelle Hussein

          raynbene… I have read his post and John’s ‘Judges’ quote occurred at the time of Benjamin, one of the twelve sons of Jacob. There were no organized Hebrew people and no Kings of Israel. The Hebrew kings were from much later in the old testament.

  • The bible does not mention abortion… This is true and it is due to the fact that there was no abortion in those day’s it was simply unheard of because it didn’t exist… Abortion is a manifestation of evil from a society gone mad.

    • Michelle Hussein

      Sorry Laughy but in the days of Christ walk on earth, abortions were common place except they were done with certain herbs and plant poultices that caused the death of the forming child in the womb. There is well documented historian who reported this fact who actually lived in that time. Christ said nothing either against or for abortion. For Christ surely had knowledge of the the events of his and and the future if he was the son-of-god.

      • I am finding that a little difficult to believe…. After all the knowledge and the means were not there especially on a large scale if at all…. BTW answer my question on your last posting.

        • Michelle Hussein

          Laughing the historian in the time of Jesus was Josephus Flavius and in his writings Testimonium Jospehus Flavianum (18:3.3).

          Jospehus never even reported about Jesus but did write about the crucifixion of the Jewish people by the Roman overlords.

          • Dissenter13a

            The Testimonium Flavianum is generally regarded by scholars as a fraudulent Christian interpolation. If you actually read his Antiquities, you are left to wonder why the normally long-winded Josephus took only a few sentences to speak of Jesus, but ten times as long to tell the story of the seduction of the beautiful Paulina. Essentially, the Testimonium was forced into the text with a shoe-horn, almost certainly because it wasn’t there in the original. (We glean this from Eusebius’s admission in Contra Celsus.)

        • Michelle Hussein

          Laughing are you saying that the means of transmitting information over large areas of population had no news media? It is reported that Jesus Christ walked over large areas for his sermons to the people in the country of his birth.

          • No I am simply stating that abortion could not have been on a mass scale as we see it today…. There must have been some form of abortion but it had to have been limited in scope. Besides in the day’s of Christ they did not have clinics etc…. I’m sure that they had “medicine men” per-say but they would have been inferior and with limits as to what they could do… For the most part abortion had to have been unheard of because they wanted people alive to work in the fields, raise animals and tend to the crops. You have to remember that the life span in the day’s of Christ was at best 40 years so it would stand to reason that they would want people alive.

          • Michelle Hussein

            Laughing you are indeed a funny guy. In those days of Jesus of Nazareth, knowledge of the medicine and whatever treatments were given were common knowledge throughout their sphere of influence. There were no clinics but there was midwifes and older folks who used whatever was thought to be of health care in their days. You can’t equate medicine of today with that practiced over 2000 years ago.

      • horrible deplorable raynbene

        Christ would not have been pro-abortion – whatever else was happening with medicine in that time, He would never have approved of wanton, casual sex and what we have now, with people expecting free abortions, and no responsibility for their actions !

        • Michelle Hussein

          Raybene, if Jesus Christ were for pro-life in the womb, he most certainly he would have mentioned it in the New Testament. Don’t you think?

          Please give chapter and verse for your opinion.

          • John

            Arguments from silence are invalid.

            By your logic, nothing was ever said about picking your nose and eating your boogers, but since Jesus never said anything specifically about it I guess that means He thought it was a good idea, huh?

          • Dissenter13a

            While it may not always be clear as to what it says, the dog who is not barking is telling us something.

            We don’t really know what Jesus said; all we know is what some anonymous men claim that he said.

  • cyberhackster

    I guess they (planned homicide) has the big guy’s email address or phone number..

  • SSMcDonald

    Unless each individual of planned parenthood’s members or promoters repents before his/her death, he/she will join his/her father Satan in the next life. There is NO other possibility

  • grama18

    ABORTION — is murder ! !

    • Michelle Hussein

      ABORTION is murder in your own opinion!! Well I guess that settles it if grama18 thinks it to be true.

      • John

        How do you explain the court cases where a criminal killed a pregnant woman and was charged with two counts of murder?

        Regardless of that secular precedent, I agree with grama.

      • Dissenter13a

        “I think the Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it!!!” Never mind that the Bible may not say what grama thinks it does….

      • suzyshopper

        You are irrational, too even think that God would be ok with a child that he formed in the womb, being sucked out of someone in pieces.i suggest u read Psalm 139:13-16(For tho hast possessed my reins,thou has covered me in my mothers Womb, I will praise thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made, marvelous are thy works, and that my soul knoweth right well.My Substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.Thine eyes did see my Substance, yet being unperfect, and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there were none of them.Also Jeremiah 1:5(Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee,and before thou calmest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God said even before we were Formed he knew us.Also Romans 9:10-13(And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;FOR THE CHILDREN BEING NOT YET BORN, neither having not done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according too election might stand, not of works,but of him that calleth.It was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger,As it is written Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. God is clearly saying he hated a child before they were even born, so u are Wrong in your Opinion that abortion would be ok with God.

        • suzyshopper

          Not only do those verses refute your opinion, I can throw a few another verse in for good measure, Ephesians1:4(According as he hath Chosen us in him before the Foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.Having Predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,according too his good pleasure which he hath purposes in himself.The verse that I quoted says that God knew his children before the foundations of the world were laid. I choose to let him set the definition of when life begins, and from these verses it clearly describes conception. I don’t expect I will change your mind with any of these verses, but I hope to negate the damage that you might do, by leading anyone too think God is ok with abortion, when he’s not. May God have mercy on you for leading ppl too think it’s ok, with God too murder your unborn child. You can only fool baby Christians into believing what u think, but not more mature Christian, who study the Bible.

  • jdbixii

    The arguments used for the necessity for the option of abortion are absurd. Given the availability of the means of contraception to prevent conception and the morning-after pill to abort a potentially fertilized egg, there is virtually no validity to the argument that abortion is a necessary option. A woman’s right to choose begins before sex, before conception, and before abortion has to be an option. Having emphasized and made a highly-publicized and championed, political issue of a “woman’s right to choose,” it is the proper exercise of such choice that needs to be taught and practiced by woman.
    A “woman’s right to choose” can not only mean a right to abortion. The ability to communicate and an acceptance of personal responsibility are what distinguish human beings from animals. If liberals don’t want to be treated like animals, they should stop acting like animals. Having a herd mentality and insisting on the need for society to bear the costs of behavior which results from that mentality is demeaning of the truths held to be self-evident, the equality of all humanity, endowed with certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is demeaning to propose that, because a woman is an animal, she is unable to, or will not make proper choices.
    Yet, this is the only logical explanation for the position and practice of Planned Parenthood.

  • WhiteFalcon

    To PP, Ovomit is god, so you can figure the intelligence behind their statement. Abortion is murder and there is no way around it. I used to try to rationalize my way around it, but in the end I found out that there is simply no way to call it anything other than murder, and it is always premeditated and planned, which makes it first degree murder.

    • Michelle Hussein

      Well if you tried to use your FINITE intelligence to determine what and when life begins makes it fact. By the way, science today can take one of your living skin cells, empty its content with a microscope and place your cell’s content into an empty woman’s ova and your self (person) will be born in about 9 months. Oops another you and life from your one of your skin cells.

      • WhiteFalcon

        Life begins at conception, period. I am not Catholic, but they are correct on that point. By the way, as you described that process, it won’t work even in theory.

        • Michelle Hussein

          Actually WhiteFalcon, the process as I described it has worked starting with Daisy the sheep. The US laws prohibit human experimentation but that has not stopped other developed countries from experimentation with creating life from other cells. It has been found that the age of the person donating their cell results in the new copy to be born with the chronological age of the donor.

  • Doug

    I believe we can add the following Scripture verses: Shemoth (Exodus) 21: 22-25:
    22 “And when men strive and they shall smite a pregnant woman and her children come out, yet there is no injury, he shall certainly be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband lays upon him. And he shall give through the judges.
    23 “But if there is injury, then you shall give life for life,
    24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
    25 burn for burn, wound for wound, lash for lash.

    I understand this to mean that whatever man does to an unborn child, he will be held accountable. Abortion is defined as murder.

    • Michelle Hussein

      Sorry Doug but I can read and write Hebrew fluently. Your re-interpretation of the original text is probably from some English king like King James.

      • Doug

        Please explain the meaning

        • Dissenter13a

          While the authoritative meaning of yeled ‘yatsa (“fruit departeth,” in your KJV) is presumptively lost in the sands of time, biological reality dictates that the better rabbinical view is that it refers to a miscarriage–which is ALWAYS fatal to the fetus. (Look in any medieval cemetery: a lot of women died from having them.)

          Back in the sands of time, the fetus that was even a few weeks premature didn’t survive. You either had a blessed event (and children often died within hours of birth back then), or you had a miscarriage and in the latter case, the person causing it was liable in tort. If the wife survived, the remedy was a fine paid to the husband; if she died, lex talionis applied.

          • Doug

            FYI – I am not using a KJV, I use several translations, two of which are directly from Hebrew to English. The people involved in the translations are those who are also fluent in Hebrew.

            If it is about a miscarriage, it would be very much out of context with the rest of the chapter as the chapter outlines the guide for those who violate one of the 10 Words (Commandments). The preceding verses and following verses focuses on the consequence of those who commit murder. Why would verses discuss consequences of murder followed by a miscarriage then return immediately to murder? Taken as a whole and remaining in context with preceding and follow-on on verses, I believe what you say is not the intent of the verses.

          • Dissenter13a

            Hardly. The Hebrew law code defines what is or is not murder, in much the same way that our statutory law gives guidance as to what certain constitutional passages mean. The passage is declaring that the killing of the mother during that struggle is punishable by death, but that the causing of a miscarriage is not. It is what it is, your eisegesis notwithstanding.

            I don’t care. I go directly to Strong’s, and pay careful attention to rabbinical interpretations. It is, after all, their religion.

          • Doug

            Are you suggesting that Scripture is written in such a way that each sentence (verse) is to be interpreted individually? So nothing written prior to a sentence (verse) is to be tied to the subject sentence (verse) and anything afterward is to be interpreted separately. I understand verse numbers were added so I am referencing sentences instead of verses.

            I study Scripture in context and I have found that Scripture does not jump from one subject to another then back again to the original subject matter.

          • Dissenter13a

            Law is to be interpreted reasonably, and the passages in question are to be seen as Hebrew law. A modern statute will interpret “murder” by saying what it is and what it is not; why should the Torah be any different?

          • Doug

            Two quick points: Torah is Father Yahuah’s guidance for everyone and when using terms such as “reasonably” one may need to define what is reasonable (subjective).

      • W. Lorraine Ball

        I do not know who you think you are but your post is pure fiction! I have a copy of the Geneva Bible translated in 1599 before the King James version and was done with great care to the Hebrew.
        It translate this passage as:
        Exodus 21:22-25
        22 Also if men strive and hurt a woman with child, so that her child depart from her and death follow not, he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband shall appoint him, or he shall pay as the Judges determine.
        23 But if death follow, then thou shalt pay life for life.
        24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
        25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
        So Doug is right and you may not like it but God doesn’t approve of abortion!!!!!

      • Bannorhill

        In Ruth 1:5 what word does the Hebrew use for the sons? יְלָדֶ֖יהָ
        “both Mahlon and Kilion also died, and Naomi was left without her two sons and her husband.”

        What is the Hebrew used in Exodus 21-22 for children? יְלָדֶ֔יהָ

        In this case Hebrew the same word is used for both born and unborn children.

  • EMcF

    This is what we say when we are looking for justification to do whatever we want. We set our own rules and then declare that we’re sure God will go along with it, because we want Him to, instead of following the rules He gave us.

  • alice

    Thank you!

  • Andrea Smith

    God does not approve of abortion, although it may not be in the Bible itself; it’s in the extra biblical text of the Book of Enoch. Abortion is nothing more than a Satanic practice of sacrificing the babies that are unborn, it’s pathetic to say that God approves of abortion when He hates it when a woman makes the selfish decision to kill her baby. Think about it before replying to this comment.

  • USMC 64-68

    Progressive democrats first abandoned the Declaration and its God-given individual rights along with the Constitution. Not long afterward, with their new interpretation of the 1st amend. (guided by ideology not patriotism) they declared war on the individual right to practice religion – especially in the market place.

    After this process of destruction, it was inevitable that the destruction would next extend to the most vulnerable, who not only can’t protect themselves, but they can’t even speak for themselves.

    As we saw at the last national convention of the progressive democrat party, they not only voted God out (and cheered wildly), but they also led a raucous demonstration for the party to champion more abortion, and a longer open season on babies.

    The only god that approves of the murder of infants is the god of this age, Satan. Remember, the progressive Democrats waged war on the One True God decades ago, and now have come to the place where they have publicly taken a stand against Him.

    • Dissenter13a

      Properly interpreted, the Framers’ Constitution recognizes that the individual retains the right to an abortion. The State can regulate abortion to ensure the safety of the practice, but it has no other legitimate constitutional voice.

      • USMC 64-68

        Not even close. This is why the progressive subversives of the SCOTUS had to invent a “right” in order to foist their godless practice on America.

        • Dissenter13a

          And you earned your law degree where?

          • USMC 64-68

            A law degree isn’t needed. It was written in plain English for the common man to read and understand.

            Behind that concept stands the idea of “We the People” vs. the lefty’s idea of “We the Progressives along with the ACLU.”

          • Dissenter13a

            So you don’t have one, and don’t understand the concept of personhood, the presumption of liberty implicit in the Tenth Amendment, or the purpose of the Ninth.

            IOW, you’re just a jarhead.

          • EMcF

            The Tenth Amendment says that all governing powers not described in the Constitution as belonging to the federal government are reserved for the states and the people of the states. How does that help the pro-abortionists argue for abortion?

          • Dissenter13a

            The last phrase: “…are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” The Lockean construct upon which our system of government is built (see the NH BoR for an clear statement of this) is that we are all endowed with natural rights, relinquishing only those rights that we must in order for our governments to do the duties we assigned to them. Why does the government need to have a say as to whether a particular woman carries a particular fetus to term? If it doesn’t, the people retained THAT right for themselves. Professor Barnett (a libertarian) refers to this as the “presumption of liberty.”

            If we had a constitutional amendment declaring that the zygote was a “person,” the equation would change … but you have to accept that sometimes, the Constitution doesn’t mandate the outcome you personally prefer.

            It is not a right-left issue; it is a libertarian-authoritarian one.

          • EMcF

            By the same token, we can argue that the tenth amendment means that the people of the states reserve for themselves the right to protect innocent life. And without the basic right to life, liberty cannot exist.

          • USMC 64-68

            You neither understand the “concept” of personhood or “liberty” if you think the right to life mentioned in the Declaration and protected in the Constitution doesn’t apply to infants being nurtured in the womb.

            If you have a JD – you got it from a liberal institution where, under the guise of “elite education” they actually subvert the meaning of the Constitution and the rule of law.

            And, in so doing they subvert America, which is treason.

            IOW – a useful idiot!

          • Dissenter13a

            As I am well-versed in Coke, Blackstone, Locke, Hobbes, and the writings of the Framers, I would be delighted to debate that proposition with you at great length later in the afternoon. The fact is that English law always drew a sharp distinction between the life of mother and fetus, which Lord Coke complained rather bitterly of.

            When the Framers imported terms of legal art like mandamus, person, good behavior, and pardon from pre-existing English law, they also imported the definitions.

            As for your calumnious charges, I am a strict originalist, which is why I draw the conclusions I do.

          • USMC 64-68

            I’ll apologize for my “calumny” if you’re an originalist.

            There’s another source of law that, while drawing distinctions between mother and child, recognized the personhood of the baby in the womb: the Bible. A few relevant passages are noted in the above article, but there are many more.

          • mesaman

            Save your breath, Marine. A closed mind allows only the most miniscule trickle of truth and it is embadded in tons of verbal offal. Dissenter carries a limitless load of it. Semp Fi!

          • Dissenter13a

            Translated, mesaman has lost a lot of arguments to me.

  • Jimmy

    There are numerous teachings in Scripture that make it abundantly clear what God’s view of abortion is:

    Exodus 21:22–25 – “If men strive, and hurt a {woman with child}, so that her fruit *depart from her*, and yet no mischief follow: {he shall be ‘surely’ punished}, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou {shalt give life for life”}

    • Dissenter13a

      And the rabbis who speak Hebrew read this as drawing a distinction between the mother and fetus. As to what God’s view is, She has not spoken with due clarity on the subject … but we know what a bunch of semi-literate goatherders thought.

  • ChicagoThunder1

    These people will say anything every time I hear one pipe up I tell em to talk to the hand. Greeks will understand…

  • Joanne

    All part of the progressive loons destroying our country. Abortion is okay and so is pot. Imagine our young people being brought up in America living under these rules. Everything is about political correctness, you can’t say certain words but you can abort babies. It’s the accepted new norm and it’s killing our kids and country. Then they wonder why we have all these mental health issues. Parents needs to take responsibility for their kids.

    • http://Yahoo.com victorbarney

      I refer it to the first, first-born blood covenant of DEATH began by Hawah(Eve), with her first-born & first-murderer Cain, & LUCIFER(SATAN), STILL the arch-angel that rules “EARTH” from “under” this world for just a little while longer…akin to the famous Sicilian MAFIA by the way because our given 6,000 years are just about over! WATCH, especially starting Wednesday, September 24, 2014 as stated above because it also is written that “Yahweh does NOTHING without 1ST WARNING HIS PEOPLE”…

    • Dissenter13a

      Pot is probably better for you than Chivas.

  • Dissenter13a

    That a man named Onan should kvetch about this is delicious….

    OC: “No honest Biblical scholar believes that abortion is morally justifiable using Scripture.

    Exodus 21:22-23 draws a distinction between the mother and fetus. If a fetus was to be construed as a person, no distinction would be necessary. Ergo, the Bible does not say that the fetus is fully human. Indeed, Jewish tradition teaches that the soul enters the body at the first breath.

    And I suppose that all those learned rabbis–who actually speak Hebrew–are dishonest … right, Onan?

    A lot of Christians agree that abortion is not murder, especially in the earliest stages of development. On what basis can you say that you are right, and they are wrong?

    • CountryBoy

      You might want to read this passage from Exodus…

      22 – When men get in a fight and hit a pregnant woman so that her children are born prematurely but there is no injury, the one who hit her must be fined as the woman’s husband demands from him, and he must pay according to judicial assessment.

      23 – If there is an injury, then you must give life for life,

      • Dissenter13a

        Asked and answered. Read it in the Hebrew, instead of the bastardized English version.

        • Bannorhill

          In Hebrew it uses the same word for born and unborn children.
          They are the same.

          Would we now say God approves killing our innocent 2 year old children?

          • Dissenter13a

            Read the passage, and contemplate the context.

          • Silver

            You will be contemplating on Judgement Day. You will NOT like what God has to say. Have a good trip.

          • Dissenter13a

            Allah will probably be displeased with us both….

          • Silver

            Sorry Charlie the troll. There is no Allah. Allah is Satan if anything. He’s just a joke.

          • Dissenter13a

            Prove to me that your Jesus isn’t pushing up daisies from an unmarked common grave in Jerusalem. I don’t believe in any of the ancient tribal sky-daddies.

    • paperpushermj

      So you hang your hat on the Word ” Murder” Ignoring the Act. How convenient for You. What does your conscience tell you about Late Term Abortions?

      • Dissenter13a

        I don’t have a dog in the hunt. The law is what it is. If you were able to pass a constitutional amendment banning abortion, the outcome would be different.

        As for late-term abortions, I was persuaded by the experience of the Santorums that they are almost always medically prudent.

    • EMcF

      At the point of conception, a unique individual with unique DNA (all the DNA he/she will ever need) is created, and the cells begin dividing. Biologists agree – and not “a consensus” or even a majority of them, but ALL of them – that this is a new life. Leftists often accuse Christians of ignoring science, but science proves the point here.

      • Dissenter13a

        If you were consistent in your application of science–only using it when you think it serves your purposes–you would not be criticized. But as it is, you can’t help yourselves.

        Anyone who thinks that Noah was real (the tale was a retelling of the Epic of Gilgamesh) and global warming is fake is not to be taken that seriously.

        No one on the Left denies biology. But DNA does not a “person” (which is a legal concept) make.

        • EMcF

          Then what does? A heartbeat? Movement? A breath? At what point does a person become a person with the right to live?

          • Dissenter13a

            The courts have defined it generally as viability, which appears to be defined as the ability to survive outside the uterus without having to rely on heroic intervention. Whether this distinction is the correct one is open to debate, and I do not pass judgment on that question.

            What I do say is that, in a government of limited powers, you have to respect the stated limitations on those powers, even when you despise the ramifications.

          • EMcF

            But the point of viability is ever-changing. In 1973 when the Supreme Court decide Roe, the point of viability was around 32 weeks. Now it is closer to 28 weeks, and sometimes as early as 24 weeks, because of advances in medicine. If we use viability as the point of personhood, then a person becomes a person at different points, depending on changes in science. By your definition, a baby at 28 weeks was not a real person in 1973, but a baby at 28 weeks today IS a real person. Moreover, that definition doesn’t account for the fact that babies develop at different rates. One baby may be viable at 24 weeks whereas another might not be viable until 30 weeks. Does that mean that one is a real person and the other is not? If that’s what it means, then how do we determine the point of viability for that particular child? How do we determine when one child has a right to live and another doesn’t? This position makes no sense and is practically inapplicable.

  • Warren Wilson

    Does the bible or does it not condemn those who “offend children”?
    What is more offensive than dismemberment?

  • Brabado

    Plant Parenthood is just another way to describe, MASS MURDER
    & GOD IS KEEPING RECORDS…
    Wait for HIS bill, it wouldn’t be long now.

  • patriotrenegade

    murderers always say that stuff. hitler said “god” was on their side. God was not on their side. They are mass murderers.

  • slapjack

    It sickens me that my tax dollars go to this putrified organization. God does not approve of abortion and for them to say such a ball face lie means they are desperate. This Satanic organization must be stopped now.

    • Fed up!

      Bible says Satan will take many forms aka Unplanned Parenthood and Obama

  • pthor

    I support late term abortions for liberals between the ages of 21-75 ! Obamacare & Planned Parenthood can finally do something right by waiting until the mental order manifests & then turning them to Soilent Green for welfare queens & illegal aliens to purchase with their EBT cards. You heard the idea here first!

  • jb80538

    No, I believe God says “Thou shall NOT kill”

    • Silver

      When the 10 Commandments was translated from Hebrew to English it was mistranslated. It actually says “thou shalt do no murder.” Murder means lying in wait. That’s exactly what abortionist do. They lie in wait to murder an innocent baby. These people are hellbound and too stupid and immoral to know it.

      • Dissenter13a

        “Murder” is not an act, but a legal judgment.

        • paperpushermj

          Not to the Murdered !

          • Dissenter13a

            If you’re dead, you probably don’t care overmuch.

          • paperpushermj

            I think not all murders are quick and clean, many are given time to contemplate the pain, anguish and fear they are going through as they await their end of days. But lets not forget the family of those Murdered, are not they victims as well?

          • Dissenter13a

            It’s not like the woman is being forced to undergo the procedure, now is it?

          • paperpushermj

            No She is not, it is voluntary. Unfortunately in the case of late Term where what every you want to call it, child or Fetus will pay the price as it’s limbs are ripped away or burned to death by chemicals pays the price for Her indiscretions. With all the Birth Control available today, becoming pregnant now borders on Willful.. is it not?

          • Dissenter13a

            Tell that to the woman who suffered a stroke from taking oral contraceptives, and to whom they are now contraindicated.

            Tell that to the victim of a violent rape.

            Tell that to the woman whose partner’s condom broke.

            Like it or not, there is no such thing as a perfectly safe, 100% effective, and reasonably practical form of contraception. Even the Pill fails at times.

            By what right do you tell the young married couple who can’t afford to have children at that time that they can’t have sex, because pregnancy might result?

            It never ceases to amaze me as to how you zealots on the Right demand that government stay out of YOUR life, but demand an ownership interest in the uterus down the street.

          • paperpushermj

            ” It never ceases to amaze me”
            __________________________________________.
            First It’s good to know your Limitations.

            You know nothing of where I stand on Abortion, I have commented on Late Term as I think that it borders on Infanticide. As to Abortion in the First Trimester I think that is altogether different.

          • Dissenter13a

            Non-responsive.

        • Silver

          Yep. I knew you were an imbecile.

          • Dissenter13a

            As if you even have the mental faculties of a common garden implement….

      • Bannorhill

        Murder is killing someone who is innocent. Who is more innocent than a baby?

  • antiliberalcryptonite

    I hope liberals enjoy héll. They own it!

  • Effenexes

    A benevolent God does not condemn mankind to damnation. They willfully do that unto themselves. It would be understandable however, if he gave these morally bankrupt interlopers of this insidious organization, a helping hand for debasing his Holy Name.

  • http://Yahoo.com victorbarney

    Good point, but I just wanted to add that “Rome,” following Roman tradition, changed scripture to worship the Greek’s “Zeus” as written by the actual philosopher Petrus Galatinus, who actually gave us the name “Jesus” to worship “Zeus”(his own words, NOT mine)! Furthermore, even as STILL written in scripture, HEBREW is the “ONLY” SPIRITUALLY INSPIRED LANGUAGE, NOT Greek, as written at least 3 times(Zeph. 3:9, Acts 26:14, 1 Cor. 4:6) with the last two examples even saying so in GREEK, which “Rome”(Petrus too) obviously was spiritually-blind to even recognize! As also written in 2 Peter 1:20, all scripture MUST be read ONLY through “DEDUCTION” and NOT “Induction”(WE THINK…)! COME OUT OF BABYLON MY PEOPLE! TIME IS SOON RUNNING-OUT, perhaps starting as early as this coming WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2014, which is the CORRECT DATE for the next annual FEAST OF TRUMPETS(i.e., SPIRITUAL WAR)! 144,000 equally divided persons from the 12 tribes of Israel, including the Jews, still represents 100% DEATH! It’s all about the Hebrew Yahweh(YHWH) and his “only” begotten son & our high priest, named “Yahshua,” meaning in Hebrew that “Yahweh means salvation!” Again, OUCH! AGAIN, “COME-OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE”…I FORGOT TO MENTION: THE SPIRITUAL CONGREGATION also has 144,000 kept alive and Elder Gary Miller, of http://www.icyahweh.org or email: [email protected] is the Eliyah that must come first, as proven by having the ONLY scientifically proven correct spiritual calendar given man! PLEASE…ASAP FOLKS…

  • mesaman

    The PP’s also believe that excrement doesn’t smell bad if you play in it long enough.

  • DRLJR

    And people need to remember that Planned Parenthood was basically created to get rid of one particular group of people. People need to learn the history of the “Progressive” movement as well as the background of the Utopian Societies of the late 1800s and their agendas.

  • JEButler

    God gave us the power of “Choice”. Women can choose to abort their babies. One small catch to it all, They will be held accountable for their sins!! Killing because it is an inconvience is murder and murder is a sin!!
    I believe all democrats and liberals should not only be able to abort at any time during a pregnancy they should also be able to have a post birth abortion on their children up to that age if 25 as long as they remain democrats 😉 Just a thought there to appease the liberals

    • DaveM

      May we include the parents of those children?????

    • vietnamvet1971

      Hate to tell these women BUT their Body is not theirs IF they are a Christian, it is the Temple for Jesus and his Holy Spirit to live in us. So they are NONE of Jesus body.

      • Dissenter13a

        Whose body is it?

        • paperpushermj

          I think Vet answered that Question

          • Dissenter13a

            Prove that Jesus exists today, as opposed to his being a rabbi named Yeshua who formed the basis for the Jesus legend. To own something, you first have to exist.

          • paperpushermj

            Why should I have to provide to you Proof? People believe and I Never question what People Believe, Belief requires No Proof … does it? So I’ll turn the Table on You ” Prove Jesus did not exist in the form that Christians Believe?

          • Dissenter13a

            You can believe whatever you want, provided that it does not break my leg or pick my pocket. If you don’t want an abortion, DON’T HAVE ONE!!! But if you want to impose your bizarre set of superstitions on society, you had better come to the table with proof.

          • paperpushermj

            Your above comment reeks of Arrogance. Time for some Introspection, but I fear that’s not going to happen, for You wouldn’t be comfortable with what’s Staring back at you.

          • Dissenter13a

            A cat?

          • paperpushermj

            A Soulless creature operating on Instinct alone. How many Hospitals have Cats created? How many Poor have Cats feed,Clothed and Educated? If that works for you, if that satisfies you so be it. Personally I think there’s better in You.

          • EMcF

            If you think breaking people’s legs is wrong, don’t do it. If you think stealing someone’s wallet is wrong, don’t do it, but don’t impose your morals on the rest of us. If you don’t like slavery, don’t own a slave, but you have no right to tell anyone else that they can’t own one. If you disagree with rape, don’t do it, but don’t try to impose your morals on others.

            Moral relativism is illogical.

          • Dissenter13a

            If society agrees, it results in laws. Laws are not morals.

          • paperpushermj

            Simplistic thinking. You say if society agrees without recognizing the foundation present in that debate. You just fast forward to the end. Morals of the Society would play a significant part in that debate.

          • Michelle Hussein

            Ultimately everyone must answer for their own path in this short span we think of as LIFE. That is what we have all been given and is FREEWILL to chose our own path. No one can forgive another of their sins for that is between each person and their god. No god forgives the sins of others by dying for all those who came before or after. No one can legislate morality.

          • paperpushermj

            And Selfish

          • Michelle Hussein

            There is an old axiom, “there are absolutely no absolute truths” in the realm of the human limited (finite) mind. There is a great human debate between evolution vs creation. Actually neither is correct as a Creator has the ability to make existence without men knowing how and why it is accomplished.

            Check out the following video.. The Secret Beyond Matter–
            http://youtu.be/GyN1Fzrp2PM

          • paperpushermj

            I Agree with what you wrote. Who’s to say that Evolution is but a tool of a Deity. I don’t know, that’s where Belief comes in again. Lord Knows I don’t have the Ability to know what God is I just hope there is One.

          • Dissenter13a

            I don’t waste a lot of time on the question because I am not so arrogant or prideful as to think that any part of me will survive death. If God does not interfere in human affairs, what practical difference does it make as to whether She exists or not?

          • Michelle Hussein

            Watch the Youtube video above and you will see that we are already in the same eternity as all others have been and will be as there is no time except now. All there is a creation of our perceptions which do not exist. Difficult to understand but that is what science calls quantum entanglement within a holograph picture inside our own souls.

            Watch the short video — http://youtu.be/GyN1Fzrp2PM

          • paperpushermj

            He / She how simple you are. I suppose You think God is like the Paintings of an Old man like Zeus sitting on a Throne. Spend a Minute and Contemplate.

  • teaman

    This article is the absolutely truth! The problem is, Satan has control the of most hearts, including ‘so called Christians’!

  • afanaglenn

    Such a self-serving statement but they know better. Saying something doesn’t make it truth. Isn’t that right, Obama?

    • vietnamvet1971

      YEP, obama is their NUMBER ONE Supporter and Chief with the most BLOOD on his Hands.

  • paperpushermj

    “clergy board”

    __________________________________________________________.
    So who are these People? Let them come out of the Shadows into the Light…Let them give their Names !!!

    • vietnamvet1971

      They hide behind the Blood of Dead Children and will NEVER come near the Light for it will Blind & SHINE on their EVIL & Expose them.

      • paperpushermj

        Yes !
        PS did you come or go in 71 or is that your age?

  • DaveM

    GREAT! Now the creator of all life and controls life and death and the guidance of mankind is now being said to state “Abortions are OK!” If so let us start with those who are involved!

  • victoriadelacy

    It is clearly obvious that employees of the hit-man business known as PP have not the slightest acquaintance with Jehovah God of the Bible. Had they read through that manual for living even one time they might have noticed verses such as Exodus 20:13 where “thou shalt not kill” equates with “thou shalt not murder” in addition to which is the following to be found in Proverbs 6:16 where it is made clear that among the 7 things that God hates is “hands that shed innocent blood” and there is hardly a member of the human race more innocent of wrongdoing meritorious of the death penalty than a pre-born infant. By the way, “fetus” is simply a Latin term meaning “little one”. Science has proven that at the moment of conception we are infused with dna that contains enough genetic material to fill an Encyclopedia Britanica and we are equally human and deserving of full protection regardless of stage of life, health condition or location during development throughout the life spectrum. Those are the facts.

    • vietnamvet1971

      NOW, planned parenthood has declared themselves GOD, this just goes to show / PROVE how much more EVIL they get every day.

      • Bannorhill

        That must make them a religion. It is time to invoke the separation of church and state doctrine on them.

  • Javelina

    This is more affirmation that the left is the hand of Satan and the Democrat Party is the arm.

    • Kat

      Well said

  • vietnamvet1971

    JESUS said when his Disciples tried to keep the little children from coming near to him said that such (Children both Born & Aborted) his Kingdom is made for them.

  • Heavyhearts4

    Matthew 18:5-6 says:

    And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

  • Myrtle

    Must be talking about Alla, because I know, for a fact, that is not my ALMIGHTY GOD nor HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST!

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it.

  • jd1958

    Stop being our conscience!!! We want to slaughter YOUR children so you can have “peace in our hearts.” After all; murdering “YOUR” children is BIG BUSINESS for us!!!! PPH.

  • greyhound44

    Which God???
    retired expatriate MD: NBME; ABIM; ABNM; ABR w/spec comp NR – and only 47 years in medicine

    • Dissenter13a

      You know that you are over-educated when you have more letters after your name than you do IN your name. (I share that predicament, btw.)

  • Doug Icenhower

    Organizations like PP, and there are many more thrown in for good measure, could not exist without the perpetuation of deceitful lies, innuendos, and out and out Obamas. I’m always quite disappointed when a liars pants don’t catch fire, and I really don’t care how good the crease in the pant leg is.

    • Dissenter13a

      If there are organizations more deceitful than Liberty “University,” I am not aware of them.

      • Bannorhill

        Liberty University does not lie so it can make money killing children, like PP does.

        • Dissenter13a

          PP is a not-for-profit entity. They don’t make money for their shareholders, rather by definition.

          • metheoldsarge

            Go to New York. I am sure someone would be happy to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn. The leaders of Planned Parenthood are laughing all the way to the bank. Don’t take my word for it. Research it yourself. You will be in for a lot of interesting reading.

  • janis mcdonald

    Those who want abortions will get them; those who don’t – won’t. This is just nobody’s business. And re God and the Bible — you can quote every sentence in there and it won’t change the minds of those who have made a personal decision that is just that — personal. If earth-bound Christians could have 1% of the love and empathy Jesus had — what a wonderful world this would be.

    • LFRD

      Cop*Out Comment. What a world you live in.

    • EMcF

      We have to ask WHY we think abortion is wrong. If it is morally wrong for some, then it is morally wrong for all. To think otherwise is to adopt moral relativism, the idea that morality changes from one person to another or from one culture or country to the next and that whatever a person believes is acceptable. Each person gets to decide for himself or herself what is right or wrong, but this thinking rejects the idea of a higher Being and essentially allows us to each become our own god.

      If we accept the left’s argument which says, “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one but don’t tell ME what to do,” then we have to accept that we can apply the same argument in other situations. “You don’t like slavery? Well, don’t own a slave, but stay out of my business.” “You think Nazi imprisonment and murder of Jewish people is wrong, then don’t participate, but you have no right to tell the Nazis what to do.” “You may think rape is immoral for YOU, but you don’t get to decide what is moral for other people. What right do you have to impose your morals on anyone else?” We can make the same argument for any action, and in the end we would have absolutely no enforceable laws whatsoever because, as the left says, morality is relative and nobody gets to impose their own morals on anyone else.

      And please don’t criticize “earth-bound Christians” until you know them well, and I don’t mean standing on the sidelines and judging what you think you see or don’t see. Go to church. Get involved. Find out about the ministries carried out through those churches and through which they provide not just food and clothing but housing, psychological counseling, and spiritual and emotional support, just to begin with. There will always be some hypocrites, but the vast majority have more love and empathy than you can see from the sidelines.

      • Dissenter13a

        Society passes and (sometimes) enforces laws. Those are the rules by which we live.’

        As for Christians, I have spent enough time in the sewers of the real world of your faith to have developed a healthy contempt.

      • janis mcdonald

        Abortion has been legal in this country for over 40 years — an indication that there are some, if not most, who do not perceive it to be murder. You say, “if it is morally wrong for some, it is morally wrong for all.” Does that work in reverse?

  • hayrake

    Yes and when they start with the old, the weak, the ones who disagree with their world view, etc–depopulation–that, too, will be OK with God.

  • KingofBeers

    The Republican-majority House of Representatives in Sept, 2012, passed a $1.047 trillion bill funding the federal government, which will permit funding for Planned Parenthood and ObamaCare–including the regulation that took effect on Aug. 1 that will require virtually all health plans in the United States to cover, without fees or co-pay, sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that induce abortions.

    Again…I don’t understand the republican position on abortion?! Republicans have never done one thing to limit abortion, yet democrats consistently support programs proven to prevent the incidence of unwanted pregnancy. This is where our emphasis should be placed…preventing unwanted pregnancy. It’s a little late to whine and moan about abortion after conception. Why this is so difficult to understand, proves the stupidity and hypocrisy of the Republican Party and all those who support them.

    Want less abortion? Support those programs proven to prevent unwanted pregnancy!

    Doh!

    • metheoldsarge

      There are those who insist that sometimes abortion is necessary. Others say it is never necessary. It is an issue that has and will continue to be debated until the cows come home. In any case, abortion should never be used as just another form of birth control. The most brutal is partial birth abortion. I wonder if any of the politicians that support abortion, has actually observed such a procedure? In my opinion that is nothing short of murder. It is even more gruesome when the aborted child could have been a healthy baby that a childless couple would have been grateful to have. Unwanted pregnancies are tragic and compounded when the babies are born with drug addiction and/or HIV. The billions we send each year to countries that hate us could be put to better use here. It could go a long way toward educating these single mothers on prevention and also helping them to become more productive members of the community. It could also help provide the care needed for drug addicted and HIV babies. More assistance could also be provided for agencies to arrange adoption for the unwanted babies. There are many couples that wait for years to be able to adopt a child. I am sure these considerations are way down on the priority lists of our politicians, if they are even there at all.

  • metheoldsarge

    The late Margaret Sangar must be rolling over in her grave laughing her head off at that kind of thinking. The prime target of Margaret Sangar was against the Black Communities. Margaret Sangar was a racist and proud of it. Incidentally, she was the founder of Planned Parenthood. Don’t take my word for it. Do your own research. You will find that many of the Planned Parenthood Clinics, that provide abortions. Are located in and around the Black Communities. You will also find that the biggest supporters of Planned Parenthood are White Democrats. They are the ones that have been the deciding factor in providing Federal funding for Planned Parenthood. Coincidence?

  • Tim Casey

    All those who approve of abortion are guilty of the blood of those innocents that are murdered in the name of a better lifestyles have that blood on their heads as well as those who actually have had an abortion and those who participate in the procedure.Murder if still murder in the eyes of God in the Commandment thou shall not kill which refers to murder. There is forgiveness and salvation in Jesus Christ if one only ask forgiveness of your sins and begs for his mercy.

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