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Family Angry that Burglars were Killed By Frightened Homeowner

In a sad story from California, two teen boys were killed after breaking into the home of an elderly woman in the middle of the night. The elderly homeowner has been the victim of previous burglaries and has been living in fear for months because of them.

Burglars hit his home twice before. The area is no stranger to crime that mostly consists of car and home break-ins.

The woman who lived at the home where the teens were shot asked her brother to stay with her after thieves targeted her home twice before, including one of the teen suspects shot dead in her home on Sunday.

“He was not an innocent bystander,” said neighbor David Keck. “I’m sorry the little boys or teenagers were killed, but if it’s my family, my family comes first.”

Now the families of the burglars have taken to the media to complain that their sons “didn’t deserve to die.”

These stories about family and friends of criminals crying about their poor dead children are getting tiring. (Here are just a couple of others we’ve covered – here and here)

These complaints are always the same. “Oh he was a good boy, just misunderstood. He didn’t deserve to die. He was running with a bad crowd.” Etc., etc., etc…

Family and friends of two teenage boys shot and killed inside a home they had broken into are speaking out.

“They didn’t deserve to get killed,” said the sister of 14-year-old Michael Sambrano.

“They were on their way out the door, and I just think it was wrong that they were shot,” said Christina Sambrano.

While family and friends admit the teens committed a crime, they wonder if dying for their mistake was the only answer.

“I just don’t understand why they were shot multiple times and killed,” said Lisa Sambrano.

I feel bad for the families of these two young men. They shouldn’t have died. They should have been in their beds sleeping so that they could be prepared for school the next day. They should have been playing video games or doing homework or talking with a friend on the phone. Instead, they were breaking into the home of an elderly woman who feared for her life. In fact, police say she was so scared she had already tried to sell her house!

Police have also said that fingerprints taken at the scene also prove that at least one of the boys had been a part of at least one previous break-in into the home. She had reason to fear these boys.

Perhaps, instead of complaining about the innocent person who was defending themselves from their criminal children… these parents should be telling other parents to pay more attention to their children. Perhaps they should be saying, “Don’t let your 14 year old go out in the middle of the night unsupervised!”

Two teen boys are dead. It’s a sad story. But these parents are blaming the wrong people. They need to be blaming themselves.

The views expressed in this opinion article are solely those of their author and are not necessarily either shared or endorsed by EagleRising.com


About the author

Onan Coca

Onan is the Editor-in-Chief at Romulus Marketing. He's also the managing editor at Eaglerising.com, Constitution.com and the managing partner at iPatriot.com. You can read more of his writing at Eagle Rising.
Onan is a graduate of Liberty University (2003) and earned his M.Ed. at Western Governors University in 2012. Onan lives in Atlanta with his wife and their three wonderful children.

  • knight2

    When I was a young man I never had the desire to break into any homes, I knew right from wrong. As an adult I have no desire. The little hoodlums got what they deserved.
    Break into anyone’s home and you deserved to be killed. Instant justice!

    • AG Dot Com!

      Our idea of “breaking the law” was teen keggers & a bonfire in a field at 1am. Then we sometimes got really rowdy & spraypainted the name of our current favorite band in an alleyway somewhere downtown. I think I did that like, once or twice.

  • anarchyst

    Sue the parents of these “boys” for emotional stress and damage. Sometimes it is necessary to “take out the garbage”.

    • Patriot

      Just be sure to have some black plastic garbage bags handy and don’t forget to take out the trash! 🙂

  • YO VINNIE

    Boo Who. This is what can happen if your are not where you are supposed to be. People all of the countlry are fed up with crime. Potential burglars beware. You are not only risking maybe being caught and going to jail but also losing your life. Not the homeowner’s fault. They are where they are supposed to be.

    • El Lobo Solo

      The parents of these boys should have done a better job at parenting rather just letting the kids do their own thing.

  • antiliberalcryptonite

    Break into someone’s home, especially at night when they are home sleeping, and, YES, you do “deserve” to die. Your little brats reaped what they had sown. Tough chit!

    • Patriot

      Yep, it take a real kind of stupid, doesn’t it?

    • El Lobo Solo

      I wonder if the rest of the burglaries in the neighborhood will stop will stop now?

  • Mark Tallman

    If they had killed the elderly woman, these families would be crying that they shouldn’t be tried as adults, or they shouldn’t get the death penalty, etc. Too bad. The problem is thugs who commit crimes and whiny parents and friends who blalme the wrong person.

    • Karll

      The problem lies with the dysfunctional way these punks were raised. If the parents are complaining, they merely have to look in the mirror to see what caused their problem.

    • Patriot

      Looks like Justice was done! It also saved taxpayers some money!

      • Gorni

        Yup, In CA, about $55,000 per year per incarceration.

  • Wrsley

    Them boys took their own lives. The parents should be charged with aiding and betting. They also should be charged with child neglect. Here’s a thought, adults take responsibility for your children! 14 years old and out in the late night?! Seriously? Oh I forgot, they were good little boys who just made a MISTAKE. Breaking into someone’s home is NO mistake!

  • http://treeofliberty14.blogspot.com/ Irredeemable Gary

    The failure in this story belongs to the parents of the teens who failed to teach their sons the dangers of living on the dark side of the law.

    But as is typical with every liberal, the blame always belongs to someone else.

  • Drake

    And YOU are responsible parents?? If you had done your job parenting, maybe, just maybe your kids would still be alive. It’s sad when there is loss of life, but honesly, the teen thugs got exactly what they deserved. Everyone has the right to protect their home and their family. Isn’t your home your castle.You parents are ignorant for making such a claim!

  • ForrestHorn

    Hey … you raised a crook, he got shot doing what crooks do. Get over it!

  • AG Dot Com!

    From “Only a Lad”, by Oingo Boingo (1981) – some prophetic lyrics:

    “Only a lad. You really can’t blame him.”
    “Only a lad. Society made him.”
    “Only a lad. He’s our responsibility.”

    Hey there Johnny you really don’t fool me,
    You get away with murder,
    And you think it’s funny!
    You don’t give a damn if we live or if we die
    Oh oh oh, ohh ohh ohh oh oh,
    Hey there Johnny boy,
    I hope you fry!

    • Patriot

      We really should consider bring “Old Sparky” back into service!

  • heidi

    Thse punks had it coming he was protecting his home, instead of being upset because your kids are dead think about how they could have been if you would have raised them properly with morals and intelligence, this would have never happened.

  • Gorni

    The interviewed teen that said, “maybe he was hungry”? WTF? So she thinks that a person can break into someone’s home so they can eat and that is justified? Hey kid….grow a brain!

    • Patriot

      What? No garbage cans around? They should have read “dumpster diving for idiots”!

      • Gorni

        Stop…. my stomach hurts! That made my day!

        • Patriot

          Good! It’s nice to know some still have a sense of humor!

    • drrowe1776

      If they have the munchies then its drugs.

  • fat harold

    This is just terrible. Those were good kids led astray most likely by christian dogma.
    I hope this lady burns in hell for what she did.
    Next time someone steals something from you turn the other cheek or offer to buy them some food.

    • disqus_qm6OxDniZ1

      OK fat harold, where does you live? when you hear me come in stay in bed or else. leave all your valuables on the counter or I will come get you out of bed and you don’t want that. cause I told you not to get out of bed!

      • LFRD

        fat harold is a troll.

        • Fat harold

          I am a true blue liberal and I just had to say what i felt.
          Had the woman shown tolerance for them they would have seen the light themselves and straightened out.
          But you see these were white kids and white people are inherently evil so its good they died in that sense.
          Only when our race is gone will there be peace on earth.

      • Patriot

        I couldn’t view fat harold’s profile and I don’t recall seeing any of his postings before. Do you think perhaps he was being sarcastic? Just a thought. I would hope we haven’t drawn yet another numb-nut liberal Troll!

        • disqus_qm6OxDniZ1

          Quite frankly I like debate with liberals, trolls and their
          kindred. I used to troll their websites and wade in among them like a Viking Berserker. It’s like fighting a room full of toddlers if you know about world history, governments and what made them fail, know a bit about environmental ecology, basics on religion and a firm grip on reality and human nature and you
          can handle a room full of Bill Maher’s and John Stewarts. It’s fun making them freak out with facts and not “feelings.” Well, it’s fun until they block you from the website anyway. You’ll notice Conservative blogs/sites don’t block you unless you are crude and profane. Liberals websites block you if your opinion
          is different from theirs, which they consider crude and profane.

    • Patriot

      Fat, you had better read your Bible more carefully. If you are “suffering for Christ’s sake, that’s different. But, stupidity and ignore-ance of personal responsibility (on part of the thief YOURSELF) can get you killed or hurt – for nothing.

      Years ago, a kid was breaking into a warehouse, on the roof. A cop showed up, in the darkness. He saw a silhouette against the night sky pointing down at him. The officer shot, killed a 15 yr old black boy.
      The father showed up at the police station, to speak with the officer who killed his kid. The Chief finally allowed the visit with his officer. The father had come to APOLOGIZE to the officer – for not controlling his son…!!!

      The father’s statement rang loud & clear: “When a kid picks up a gun, he must be treated as an adult…”

      May God give us more MEN who will truly be FATHERS…

    • froggy

      YPU MUST BE A LIBERAL FRUIT CAKE !!! or a bad comedian

    • froggy

      Fat Harold is Kidding and looking for rebuttals from the naive because this is too stupid.FAT HAROLD you mom who named you must be related to Palosi .

    • Korean War Vet

      I’m thinking that perhaps you were being a little sarcastic, fat harold? You left yourself wide-open here.

    • Gorni

      The lady didn’t shoot them…. go back and ready the article.

    • ort

      Shut up

  • hayrake

    Fewer thieves and fewer people considering theft if it happened more often.

  • Jackson DeLand

    I wonder when these little “angels” had a meal with their families? I wonder if these “misunderstood” children went to church? I wonder if these “confused” future citizens went to school? I wonder how they were “lead” to the wrong place, by whom? These poor little innocents were fricken’ CRIMINALS!!! They did not break in because they were looking for something to eat as the idiot suggested! They were indulging in criminal activity! This is california. Land of fruits and nuts, liberal lifestyles and a land of fear. Fear of no accountability for abuse of the innocent! This elderly lady has been abandoned by our justice system, good sense and good child rearing habits brought on by liberal policies that coddle insanity! The tragedy here is the abandonment of family values resulting in societal chaos! Let’s legalize drugs, make all the aliens citizens, downgrade educational requirements, let the fruits and nuts run the game and THEN we can all feel better about ourselves as we are forced to live in fear!

    • Gary

      Very well said!

  • D S

    And the Darwin Award goes to…………the stupid parent that raised a teenager that does not respect other peoples property, rights, and ability to defend themselves. This parent raised a teenager that went out and ended the DNA string and will not perpetuate that DNA string any further. Good for the homeowner. The parent should be embarrassed publicly for having been such an idiot.

  • Gorni

    Hey mother of the deceased boys….. “what difference does it make” how many times they were shot. A lot of times, one bullet doesn’t do the trick and if I were the homeowner, I would want to make sure that they didn’t get up again to prevent me from getting sued because you decided to break into my home!

    • Patriot

      If you need to use a gun, just keep shooting until you run out! Better safe, than sorry!

      • Gorni

        I currently don’t own a gun, but lately have been thinking about getting one. This article has convinced me to buy one. I used to have a policeman as a good friend and he would take me to the range to practice. I was a pretty good aim. With a little training and a gun safety course, I think I will take up a new serious hobby!

        • Patriot

          Good for you! I haven’t been to the range in years but I think I’ll start going again. Look at the sub-compact Glocks. Very highly rated and accurate concealable 9mm.

          It never hurts to exercise your 2nd Amendment right to self protection. You never know when you may need it.

          • Gorni

            I read articles like this everyday, so we all may need it at one point in our lives. Thanks for the suggestion on the Glock. Small but does the job!

            Every part of the Constitution is getting trampled on, especially our bill of rights and I’m getting tired of it.

            I’m beginning to wonder if all of the earthquakes that we are hearing about is really our vets and true patriots rolling over in their graves. I’ll bet my father is one of them!

          • Patriot

            Every American is getting fed up with the attacks on our liberties which is occurring daily.

            Could be our fallen vets and patriots perhaps or it could just be American’s getting ready and the noise is the sound of modern day patriots and veterans locking and loading 🙂

          • Gorni

            Both!

  • johnstephano

    I alway love when they say, they just were running with the wrong crowd. Listen up, they were the were the crowd. What’s the, They were such good kids!. BS. I DON’T LIKE TO SEE ANYONE GET KILLED,. But they got what was coming to them.

  • We The People

    ENOUGH SAID!

    unfortunately the photo that went with is not shown.
    it is the photo of my .357 barrel; end looking at you.
    it is engraved with the words,
    “WRONG HOUSE”

    • Gary

      Great caliber weapon!

  • elmcqueen3

    My home has been buglarized twice…It’s really a creeping feeling knowing at any time someone could be in your home uninvited…With the intent of stealing some of your most prized possessions…They might even force you at gun point to turn over your money…There’s the fear they might harm you or your family or even kill you…It’s not easy to sleep thinking about such things…I bought a pistol and kept it under my pillow but even that didn’t make me feel any safer…I was constantly in fear that something like this could happen again…Any time soon…What if I were to come face to face with an intruder who had invaded my home in the dead of night…With little or no light to see if the person I am confronting is carrying a weapon or not…The silence of the moment definately would be broken by the sound of my own heart beat…It’s really scary…Even thinking about what could happen the next time (if I or my family are accosted) get’s hairs to stand up on the back of my neck…No one should have to fear living in their own home!

    • tax man

      You need to feel very secure with your weapon. Practice often and keep practicing. If you need that gun it needs to be automatic!

      • Patriot

        12 Gauge Shot gun is a good home defense weapon. Just point and pull the trigger. Clean-up can be a bit messy however.

        • Gorni

          But just think of the damage to the woodwork and the furniture?

          • Patriot

            Ya, that’ the downside, but then again you’d still have your stuff. 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            And the little crumb-snatcher and his friends would be a whole lot wiser!

          • Patriot

            Yes, that is if they survived! 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            “IF” is the key word, Patriot.

    • Patriot

      Yep, same feeling when I think of our Southern Border. 🙂

      • elmcqueen3

        Yep…It is now known that not only are the Mexican durg cartels doing big busness within our US cites..They are now using American gangs to do their dirty work…Drugs…Human trafficking and murder…Yet this administration is doing everything in its power to allow illegal aleins and criminals to cross over our borders…Which just does not make any common sense to most of us…Also this administation seeks to take away our guns with which to defends ourselves from those who would do us harm…Simply put…This administration is evil!

  • Larry

    we all make choices. if the parents are so concerned why did they not try to influence their Childs choice while they were still alive. as far as the multiple shots are concerned, perhaps the parents would have felt better if the shooter had only shot them once and let them bleed out in agonizing pain while waiting for the ambulance

  • gataheart

    The boys made their own choice ..leaving the elderly lady with only two ..remain on the list of their late night shopping malls or ‘dismiss the uninvited’. She made the sane choice ..theirs the insane (MOM, what? Did you enjoy those ‘special things’ your boy brought home to you? You knew the odds ..and we can see it in your eyes.
    SORRY YOU DIDN’T KEEP YOUR BOY HOME WITH YOU LATE NIGHTS. SORRY HE DIED. NOT SORRY THE INNOCENT LADY ENDED HER NIGHTMARE.

  • ustaxpayer

    was there a father ?? how much time did the mother spend with the (criminal) son ?? you steal from me and you will die —

  • Gorni

    The map showed quite a few homes that experience crimes. If I lived in that neighborhood, I’d own several guns…… however, that doesn’t make a homeowner feel any better knowing that one day, you may have to defend yourself and that map proved that NOT IF, but WHEN you would have to defend your home.

  • nina dug

    These times was predicted a long time ago in the Bible. And here we are!

    Isaiah 5:20-21
    King James Version (KJV)

    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

    • Patriot

      Are you talking about Polozi and Reid?

      • Korean War Vet

        Them, and Obama, too! Ever notice how Obama struts around with his Pinocchio nose in the air, looking down at people? “Wise in his own eyes.”

        • Gorni

          I’ve got an idea……. let’s buy those plastic rings and at obama’s next campaign babble, we can toss them as see how many rings you can land on that lengthened nose of his. Three catches wins the brass ring.

          • Korean War Vet

            I love that idea! They used to sell a game that included three rings and a stick; the young person threw the ring in the air and tried to snatch it on the stick. Funny, the things that used to amuse kids. But, yeah: they should sell Obama heads that have long noses on them, along with three rings…they would serve the purpose.

          • Gorni

            That would make a great game for the kids. It hons the gaming skills and gets them away from the PCs. I think we could sell them and make a few bucks. hmmmmmmmm?

          • Korean War Vet

            You actually think that you could pull them away from their PCs?

          • Gorni

            Well, good parents shut off the PCs once in a while and make their kids move the extremities!

          • Korean War Vet

            “Good parents” do this, yes, and I hope that there are many of such parents.

          • Patriot

            Better yet, how about JARTS? 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            Never heard of ‘Jarts’; what is it? 😎

          • Patriot

            Lawn darts. They had very sharp points. The type of thing our moms always told us would put someones eye out 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            I’m sorry, Patriot, I’ve heard of Lawn Darts, but never heard of them referred to as ‘Jarts’; thanks for filling me in. I remember making “carpet pistols” when I was a kid; another little item that Mom said would “take someone’s eyes out”; funny, how we lived through those years, then we would shoot rubber bands at each other in class…another “shoot our eyes out” jewel.

          • Patriot

            Did you ever unbend a paper clip and use it as a launch ramp. You would then take a match and wrap a piece of aluminum foil around the head, put in on the launch ramp. You would then hold a match to heat the aluminum foil and swish… You have just launched a micro rocket! 🙂

            Here you go.

            Lawn darts – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_darts
            WikipediaLawn darts (also known as jarts or yard darts) is a lawn game for two players or teams. A lawn dart set usually includes four large darts and two targets.
            You do realize we grew up in dangerous times when it came to games & toys.

            I once had a bow and arrow with a “Whistler” on it’s tip. When you fired it into the air it would whistle on it’s return. My younger brother heard it and looked up to see what it was and go struck in the corner of his eye. No permanent injury but that was a scary moment. 🙂 I still think we had a lot more fun then the kids coming up today.

          • Korean War Vet

            Oh yeah; I’ve seen the lawn darts in action, I just never knew they were called ‘Jarts’, always saw them advertised as Lawn Darts. As for the launch ramps you described earlier: I’ve never seen them in action….sounds like a lot of fun, however. The ‘whistling arrow’ you described is new to me, too. Man, where have I been, all these years? When we were in our adolescent years, we’d make scooters out of old roller skates, two-by-fours and apple crates: you nailed the orange/apple to a 6-foot 2 by 4; the old skates became the wheels, which were in turn nailed to the ‘bottom’ of the 2 by 4. Two sticks, say 15 – 15 inches ling were nailed to the upright orange/apple crate, which became your ‘handle bars’ to guide your scooter. You stood on the 2 by 4 with one foot, and pushed youself along with your other foot….used to drive motorists crazy. 😎

          • Patriot

            Never mind, I didn’t lose it. Its just below. Brain fart perhaps? 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            Speaking of darts, we used rubber bands as sling shots; our ammo was paper clips cut in half: stretch the rubber band between your thumb and fore-finger, loop the rounded end of the paper clip around the rubber band, while holding the split paper clip with your other hand, pull back on the rubber band, and let ‘er fly! Now, THERE was an eye putter-outer if you ever saw one….but no one I know ever lost an eye, simply because we knew better. Made good sling shots for target practice, though! 55-gallon trash cans made great sounds!

          • Patriot

            Oh ya, I remember doing that. What a hoot. 🙂 The stretched rubber band was also good for launching spit-balls.

          • Korean War Vet

            That, too! 😎 Getting back to the paper clips as ammo…once in a while, the cut end of the paper clip would sort of catch on the rubber band as it’s being fired, get tangled-up, and wind-up clipping your finger…with the cut end; that would take care of the game for a while….’till the next time to go to “war”. Another thing: wasn’t the Fourth of July a great time? Remember those little “lady finger” fire crackers that are only about an inch long? We’d hang onto those at the very end of them and let them fire-off as we held them, trying to impress the girls…never get hurt, until one of the other idiots (note: ‘other” idiot) would almost get a split finger because he held it too far up…where the powder was stored. But, you know what? None of us ever lost an eye…gee, what fun! What ever happened to those years…so long ago?

          • Patriot

            Yep, we use to get them in (I believe) strung together in packs of a 100.

            Remember Silver Salutes? How about Cherry Bomb? I think one of those was the equivalence of a 1/3 stick of dynamite. Had to be very careful with those but they were sure fun especially when thrown into a creek or placed under an overturned garbage can:) No one was ever hurt, but the potential was sure there.

            As far as what ever happened to those years?, I try and mooch some from my nephews, to maintain some contact with the pass 🙂

            Remember “Snakes”? I swear the cement is still stained from us burning snakes on the sidewalks. 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            You’re right; they were strung in packs of 100. Silver Salutes and Cherry Bombs…oh Yeah! Right…we used those “snakes”, too….the girls hated them, because invariably the snake would “follow” them, and they’d go screaming and hollering that we “sent” the snakes on them…Man, what fun! Take care, Patriot; have a great day.

          • Patriot

            You too! Fun reminiscing for sure!

  • Sarg

    The parents are as to blame more so then the shooter, they won’t admit
    they can’t control the little darlings.
    The laws are also to blame, if you could beat there asses like good
    parents, you might be able to control them.

    • JDH

      Yup…my Dad used a razor strap if necessary and today I love and respect him with all my heart!

      • Patriot

        Ah, the old razor strap. I remember those days 🙂
        It instilled a little respect and it got it’s point across.
        Today, a parent would be arrested. That’s how bad things have become when we’ve allowed the State to take more control away from parents and look what they are giving us!

        Spare the rod and spoil the child!

        • Korean War Vet

          Dad used the old razor strap also; mom used a twelve-inch ruler…that’s AFTER the neighborhood policeman brought little misbehaving Johnny home; what a terrible world we lived in.

          • Gorni

            Remember the removable coffee pot electrical cords? My mom would loop it so the wall and pot connection wouldn’t touch me, but the rubber cord did a number on my skin. Nothing like a looped whip to stop you from ever doing (whatever you were doing wrong) again.

          • Korean War Vet

            Ohhhh, you poor, mistreated child! (Seems that I can remember the same thing hitting my backside a few times!) 😎 Funny thing, how my folks never found my name on any police blotters…

          • Gorni

            Never found myself in the pokie either. My mother told me before I left the house, if you get thrown into jail, you will stay there.

            The more I think of my mother, the more that I wish she could raise half of the kids in the US nowadays.

          • Korean War Vet

            Funny, isn’t it, how when we were youngsters, the “old folks” didn’t know a thing, but as we grew older….oh, how we wish the old folks were still with us to teach a thing or two. Life’s not fair!

          • Gorni

            You re absolutely right. It’s not fair. For that elderly woman who brought in her brother to help her with the fear of being broken into again, I feel so sorry for this woman and her brother. It wasn’t fair for her to live in fear and it isn’t fair for her and her brother to live with this memory. Those two thugs took her peace of mind away for the rest of her life. It’s almost as if they killed her spirit.

          • Korean War Vet

            What happened here would NOT remain in my memory long, and it would NOT affect my peace of mind at all.

          • Gorni

            You have seen war and have learned to deal with it or you’d go crazy like some have. It takes a strong person to live through what you have witnessed. You also knew who your enemy was.

            A frail woman can’t possibly understand but she knows her fear is real and it haunts her every time the sun goes down. She doesn’t know her enemy and on US soil, we shouldn’t have to face an enemy, but these two thugs put themselves into that category and suffered the results. It still won’t remove that fear because it could happen again and she knows it.

            You are to be commended for your service. You are the reason that this country is the greatest in the world. You were accepting of the fact that you many not come home. It is because of men like you that allow us to have our freedoms and keep the enemy outside of our borders. However, it is becoming increasingly apparent that this won’t last so we need you to teach what our fathers taught us and the first lesson is that freedom isn’t free. My father was a WWII vet and had nightmares for years, especially on warm summer evenings. He was a strong, hard working man and would die to save his family. That never stopped him from teaching us right from wrong and the consequences of our actions.

            May you carry on the tradition of all great men and keep up the good fight that we all are faced with ….. tyranny!

          • Korean War Vet

            Thank you for your eloquent and kind words, also for remembering, Gorni. If your father, the World War Two vet, were still here, I’d pass my thanks along to him for the wonderful job he and his brothers-in-arms did, during that war. He was truly, one of the “Greatest Generation”. Were it not for him and his Brothers, we’d be speaking either German or Japanese (if not both) in this country today. Too many unbelieving people alive today scoff at that idea; they just don’t want to believe it. We’ve had life too good.

          • Gorni

            You are welcome and Yup….. we have and a lot of people like us will not take this crap lying down!

          • Patriot

            Our mom never raised a ruler to us. It was usually a broom or wooden spoon. The ruler was left to the domain of the nuns! 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            We weren’t Catholics, so we “had it coming” at home. Strange, how that works. 8-]

          • Patriot

            See, not being a Catholic has it’s advantages. Not only would we get whacked by a nun with a ruler, we’d get home and get hit with the spoon by mom. In addition to that, we would hear the ominous words “JUST WAIT UNTIL YOUR FATHER GET’S HOME”! 🙂

          • Korean War Vet

            OH BOY!! That phrase about waiting until father gets home was THE most dreaded phrase! Talk about SWEAT!!

          • Patriot

            🙂

  • Ole SC

    This is a case of suicide! Anytime a criminal gets killed in the process of committing a crime while knowing the risk that they are taking, the only one to blame is themselves and the consequences are of their own making!! Two criminals off the streets…..good riddance!

  • JDH

    Very basic justice….”consequences for your actions”!

  • LFRD

    Dang! Nothing but total “Thumbs-Up” this morning. Great thinking everyone. I am in total agreement with all comments.

  • tax man

    They DID deserve to die! Anyone who commits crimes needs to pay the full price. If you sneak into someone’s home you deserve to die and when you do it to the same older woman multiple times death is the only appropriate penalty. It is also a lesson to other punks who think it is ok to sneak into someone’s home. You will be shot, you will be killed, and person inside the home is lawfully entitled to kill you! The family failed these kids and raised them to be criminals – that is not the fault of the homeowner and her family! This is all on the kid’s parents! They should also go to jail for child abuse and not protecting their own children from a life of crime. Pure parental negligence and the burglars got what they had coming! Good story with a good ending.

  • voice of reason

    Here’s what I’m wondering regarding this story. Other young thugs in the neighborhood who are thinking about breaking into people’s house to rob them….what’s going through their minds now? Think they’ll be quite as blase’ about burgling now that they realize they could be killed for doing it? It looks to me like an object lesson.

    • Korean War Vet

      It does look like an object lesson, voice of reason, but I’ll bet that there are parents in that neighborhood who will swear to high Heaven that their little Johnny “would never do such a thing.”

      • Gorni

        Yup!

  • John

    That’s too bad! I have no feeling for him or his family! Had he killed someone,we’d have never heard about this B.S. to begin with! Let this be a lesson to anyone out there,you break in, and you take your chances! I’d have punched his ticket too! I don’t go looking for people to shoot,so stay outa my house and leave me in peace or it’s liable to cost you dearly! This family is looking for a paycheck! They figure,he’s already dead,might as well live high off the hog,get something outta it!! If he’d have been out working or looking for work,he’d still be alive! Still unemployed, most likely,but alive! Tell ya sob story walking,I’m not interested!

    • Patriot

      Gee, do you think they voted for Obama perhaps like most criminals in our jails?

      • Korean War Vet

        Yep.

  • Laughing@you

    For all of you readers out there you need to consider dogs as a first line of defense against these thugs.. A home is broken into every 14 seconds in the US and sooner or later your home will be as well. It has happened to me twice while I was at work. My deterrent was a 12 gauge shotgun on the third time when I was asleep in bed and they decided not to stick around once I unloaded in their direction. Luckily nobody was harmed and I didn’t get broken into anymore after that.

    • Joey Johnson

      I have 3 dogs….one is a Siberian husky the next is a Rat Terrior and the third is a S&W 9mm M&P Shield.

      • Korean War Vet

        I love that last “dog”; he’ll save the day every time! 😎

      • Leijona

        Great combination. I like a scatter gun myself, it eliminates the need for precision aiming under stress.

    • Blessings

      I have a schutzhund trained German Shepherd who is my guard dog and companion. He is my first line of defense.If someone gets past him, my second amendment, is my line of defense… I do agree that dogs are a good deterrent, no matter the dog, as sometimes just hearing a dog bark is enough for a criminal not enter your home.

      • Gorni

        If the criminal has a gun, your dog is history.

        • Korean War Vet

          It’s the first thing I’d be looking for, if I were the perpetrator, and the dog would be history in a second, upon sight.

          • Leijona

            I am very surprised that you would take this tack. That dog will know you are there long before you know he/she is there. I am not saying to NOT have a gun, I am saying to have BOTH. And NO, it is not cruelty to animals. You are part of your dogs pack, and they are hard wired to protect the pack. They are magnificent animals, and mans best friend.

          • Korean War Vet

            You misunderstood my meaning, Friend: IF I were the PERPETRATOR….LIKE I SAID above, the dog would be history; understood now? Good night!

        • Leijona

          If your criminal has a silencer, you are in something way over your head, or a Jack Reacher Novel.

          • Gorni

            Oh for gosh sakes, criminals don’t have silencers, hit men do. Criminals have stolen guns and that’s why they steal.

          • Leijona

            That is exactly what I was getting at. If a criminal shot one of my dogs, I would hear the shot. My point is that my dog will smell, or hear the criminal way before the criminal can get close enough to shoot my dog, unless of course the criminal is a marine or navy seal sniper.

            My point is that a dog, coupled with a competent marksman is a very effective deterrent to home invasion, neither one by themselves is as good as both. One need not rely on either or. Im done with this discussion. I know I am right, so further discussion is unwarranted.

          • Gorni

            Your point babbles. If this, if that? “coupled with a competent marksman”? How many people who have dogs are marksmen? Your statements are assumptions….. just that assumptions. You are NOT correct, you are assuming a particular scenario that would occur at a fraction of a chance. I know dogs that would coward if a person rings the doorbell. Silencers? Oh please, use some common sense.

          • Leijona

            You mean Baffles? Thats fine. Ill keep my dogs and weapons and you keep just your weapon(s) Hopefully neither of us will have to use them. Have a good evening.

    • Leijona

      Absolutely. A dog is the best first line of defense, and it does not need to be a big dog. I have a little 28 lb. Aussie-Doodle, and she is the best watch dog I have ever owned, and smart as can be. She lets me know when a car turns up the street before I can see or hear it. This lady should have gotten herself a dog, not a scared, gun happy relative. I’m surprised he did not shoot the old woman in the bargain.

      • CJONE

        Dogs kill also.

      • Doubting Thomas

        Fool

        • Korean War Vet

          Oh boy: we’ve got one of those anti-personal safety types here.

      • Gorni

        Putting up a dog as a defense tool is cruelty to that animal. Criminals who break into homes while the home is occupied by the owners usually know that they may have to harm the homeowner and would not think twice about killing the dog.

        You must be joking…. right?

        • Leijona

          Dogs have been used as a first line of defense since man started to walk upright. The dog is an early warning system. Our Military has an extensive canine corps, why do you suppose that is? Dogs live for this role, and have been responsible for saving countless lives from ambush. A human could sleep right through a robbery, I guarantee a dog won’t. They give you a chance to realize where you are, access the threat, and load and lock. (John Wayne had it backwards in the movie, but it stuck)

          The combination of a good dog and a trained marksman will put a burglar out of commission very quickly. Its hard to concentrate with a pair of teeth locked onto your you know what’s.

          • Gorni

            I’m familiar with the capability of what a dog can do. I used to train and have owned several sentries. One of my friends in Vietnam went through 3 sentries. They still get shot if the intruder feels threatened. Oh sure, the dog can alert you but a noisy collar will also alert the thief. Police dogs also wear bullet proof vests because of the fatalities and they are well trained. Too many die trying to alert or defend their partners.

            If you depend on a dog to be your first line of defense, you are making a huge mistake and possibly getting you and your family killed.

            The problem is dependency. If you rely on anything but your own instincts, you will be the victim.

      • RP

        Do you want to pay for her dog? Come by every 6 hours to walk it? Feed it? Take it to the vet? Your suggestion reeks of ignorance and you should keep your opinions to yourself unless you think them through.

        • Korean War Vet

          Give her a little slack, Doubting Thomas: she’s free to express her opinions, and in the process we learn how many liberal, left-leaning, anti-gunners there are in this world…so that we can avoid them when the SHTF and self-defense becomes the order of the day….8-) Personally, I would not want to be within a mile of such die-hard self-deniers.

          • Leijona

            Thanks KWV, but first off I am not a she. I am a 67 year old Vietnam War Veteran. I am not against guns and the use of force when it is appropriate. It sounds like here it was, but it is just too bad these kids had to die. SInce Nam I am not so flippant about the taking of anothers life. It is not as easy as most of the cowboys that post here seem to think it is. Im sure you know this as a Korean War Vet.

            Having had kids that got into trouble with drugs, in spite of being scholar athletes and National honor society students in high school, I am not so quick to judge the parents. I am sure they are blaming themselves enough. My mom taught me the addage “Walk a Mile in my Moccasins” My wife and I did it all with our kids, and we still got run through the gauntlet.

            Like I said, I have weapons myself, and I think I am proficient enough to disable with them, but things happen fast in the heat of battle, there is no question about that.

            There is no question that any person has the right to expect to be secure in their own home, but I do not think that is going to happen with the proliferation of guns. I think it is going to happen by eliminating the cause, which is drugs. The need to be armed is the symptom.

            The Taliban banned the growing of the Poppy because of the harm it created throughout the world. Poppy production is up like 300% since we went into Afghanistan, and ran the Taliban out of power. I am not a fan of the Taliban, but how do you explain the fact that we have military police guarding poppy fields? This is a fact. I know a young man that was in the military and he quit after 11 years because he could not square what he was told to do with his conscience.

            Sorry for going off topic, but I’m pretty sure it is all related.

          • Korean War Vet

            My sincere apologies, Leijona, for misidentifying your gender; your “handle” threw me off. I’m going to try to keep this short, as it is getting late for this 79-year old. First, however, I wish to thank you for your service to God and Country. You and your compatriots did not fare very well in that God-forsaken task, which I will refer to as a war, though others refuse to do so. I agree…it was too bad those kids had to die, but maybe this will awaken some parents as to what their kids are up to; maybe it takes cases like this to make some folks wake up. You and I both abhor having to take a life, but I maintain, as others here do, that it’s either my life or the crook’s, and I’m going to everything in my power to protect MY life and that of my loved ones, and in the process protect my property. We have worked all our lives to be able to enjoy our retirement and the life’s possessions we have accumulated, and NOBODY is going to just walk into my house and take anything without a fight. I’m getting pissed, and I think I will stop here, as it is getting late for this 79-year old. You take care, Friend.

          • Leijona

            I cannot agree with you more. Get a dog or two, my friend. At 79, you need a little help. I am 67, so I’m not far behind you, and thanks for your service. My father-in-law is one of the Chosin Few, Ist Marine Division. I think I told you that already, but Im not sure. Have a good evening, and yes, they were both wars, regardless of what the politicians called them.

            They sure as hell weren’t any picnic.

          • Korean War Vet

            You said: they sure as Hell weren’t any picnic…Take care.

        • Leijona

          Look at the house. They have these things called fences. They even have electric fences you can bury underground. They also have doggie doors. And, a dog is a very good companion for any person, and especially an elderly person.

          And most importantly, a dog can hear, and smell trouble about a hundred times better than a human.

          Not sure why you are coming at me so vehemently, maybe you ought to go kick your cat or beat up your old lady, puke.

    • Patriot

      Good for you!

      My dad was forced into a position where he had to use his gun. The police told him if you shoot and should the perp runs outside go after him and drag him back in and finish him off if he resists.

  • Patriot

    If a parent “beats the hell out of them” while they are very young, then they won’t go to hell in a hail of bullets in someone else’s house.

  • Robert L Nipper

    So, here’s the question. Why did the parents of these children not know what they were doing? The Demosluts want you to believe the family unit is no longer viable. Hillary Clinton screeched, “It takes a village to raise a child.” Oh, yeah? Well, Pig Woman, where was your village when these two children were breaking the law? The children made a choice and they paid the ultimate price for it. The old lady will be traumatized forever….yet the media portrays the teens as the victims.

  • VanceJ

    Well, maybe he should have stayed home, then he would not be dead, don’t feel a bit sorry for him, misunderstood my foot, he was a criminal, what was his next step Murder ?

  • Joey Johnson

    These boys deserved parents to raise them properly and to respect the rights and property of others..You reap what you sow.

  • M. Faze

    These two teens were breaking the LAW!! It’s sad that they HAD TO break into a House that was Burglarized twice before. But these were Burglars! FELONS in the ACT of a FELONY. The owners had every right to protect herself and Property.

    It’s obvious that 2 teens would have been Criminals as Adults, and would have been in and out of the Prison System.

    It’s like the 2 teens in South Carolina that went into a Waffle House Restaurant and was Robbing it, and the one with the Gun was shot dead. The parents were saying that this teen who had the gun didn’t deserve to die by a Good Samaritan who had a CCW permit and used it on the Armed Teen.

    The families all say that these teens were good boys, so was Billy the Kid, he killed men at a Young Age as well. But he was a Killer!

  • http://Yahoo.com/ Walt

    For those parents of the dead boy – I’m sorry your son is dead however, he DID deserve to die. He is a criminal who threatened the life of another person. In every state in the Union you have a right to protect yourself from people breaking in your home in the middle of the night. It doesn’t matter if he was a choir boy studying for the priesthood during the rest of the week. That night he was a common criminal who was killed in the commission of a crime. He got what he deserved whether you like it or not. Get over it.

  • Patriot

    Years ago, a kid was breaking into a warehouse, on the roof. A cop showed up, in the darkness. He saw a silhouette against the night sky pointing down at him. The officer shot, killed a 15 yr old black boy.
    The father showed up at the police station, to speak with the officer who killed his kid. The Chief finally allowed the visit with his officer. The father had come to APOLOGIZE to the officer – for not controlling his son…!!!

    The father’s statement rang loud & clear: “When a kid picks up a gun, he must be treated as an adult…”

    May God give us more MEN who will truly be FATHERS…

    • Patriot

      They too got what they deserved.

  • Northerner

    i dont feel a bit sorry either, to bad the other one wasnt killed also! he got what he deserved and maybe the parents deserve the same thing defending the poor little bastard! i am also damn sickened by the parents of all these worthless scumbags crying for their children who deserve to die for breaking into someones home! its so much better that someone spends forty cents on a bullet then the court & prison systems spending tens of thousands or millions of dollars on these lowlife pukes.
    i am glad they are dead and they will not be missed and i for one wont shed a tear, i just wish i could have pulled the trigger (one can never get enough trigger time)

  • Blessings

    You come in my home like that, you die! Am I required to ask for their age before I defend my home against them, the criminal, I think not! Let this be a lesson to all criminals, that they run the risk of death upon illegally entering somebody’s home, no matter the age!

  • TESSA

    I have said for years “If you are not were you are not supposed to be, doing what you’re not supposed to do – you won’t have a problem”. I HATE thieves – how dare they – you invade someone else’s property you pay, period!

  • Leijona

    I would be willing to bet that drugs are behind this incident. Drugs can completely ruin a family. Parents can do all the right things, and drugs can destroy all their devoted work in a heartbeat. This countries absolute refusal to deal with the drug problem in this country will be its downfall. It can, it just does not, because there is money in drugs for everyone concerned, especially the lawyers that defend middle class kids.

    This is not an incident to celebrate, like the brainless comments posted here by gun happy idiots, it is something to be very sad about. If these kids were not armed, they did not deserve to die. They needed help, not death.

    I feel sorry for everyone involved except the person that decided to use such overwhelming force on a couple of teenage kids. I’m sure he probably reacted out of fear, but now he has to live with what he has done. A couple of rounds discharged into the sky would have probably ended their careers, now their lives have been ended.

    Senseless, utterly Senseless

    • Lazy J

      Leijona, any 14 19 year old boy has much more strength than an elderly person and is a direct threat to him or her even if unarmed. The only solution which would “cure” these boys of violent acts is exactly what happened. To blame the victims of these crimes for the deaths of perps is insane. Now their careers as burglars/ robbers is over. You make no sense in your bleeding heart rant because you have no feeling for the elderly who live in fear every day.

      • Patriot

        The typical response from your typical liberal idiot fresh off the obama numb-nut farm!

      • Leijona

        I just feel bad for everyone concerned. After thinking about it, I feel bad for the shooter too, because now he has to live with it. Frankly, I probably would have fired on them too, but it is too bad this elderly woman did not have a dog. It owuld have been good for her in more ways than one. I would still bet that drugs were at the bottom of this. Drugs change the way people think.

    • Gorni

      It’s not senseless at all. If you decide to consume drugs, you are breaking the law, but no one has mentioned that so it is your assumption. Getting behind the wheel of a car when you are drunk and killing someone is also not senseless…. it is murder. Breaking into a home, when the area has been targeted on numerous occasions and in fact this woman’s home was broken into before by the same16 year old is intentional. At some point in a person’s life, you must bare the consequences. When a person breaks into your home, do you stop them and ask them if they have a gun? I DON’T think so. Shooting rounds into the ceiling (the sky…. in a home?) could get you killed and anyone who would say this hasn’t given it much thought. When fear has entered into your mind, your only thought is to protect yourself and according to human nature, is a natural feeling.

      “Comments posted by brainless gun happy idiots”. Grow a brain. No law abiding citizen wants to have to shoot a person but you CAN’T say the same for the gun toting criminal element now can you? BTW, I don’t own a gun but I will defend anyone who owns one legally and their right to defend their family and property. It is obtuse people like you that have brought this country down to that level that we are all experiencing.

      • Patriot

        When God was handing out brains, she was obviously playing hookey! 🙂

        A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and in her case, it definitely shows. 🙂

    • Patriot

      Any time good triumphs over evil is a good day to celebrate.

      The fact that they committed felonies and were not armed tells you they deserved what they got for just being plain downright stupid!

      Excuse me, I can tell your not educated in the proper use of weapons. Are you aware that discharging a weapon into the air is a dumb-ass move. The bullet comes down with more velocity than when it went up and could easily kill a real innocent. Let me guess, your taking your lead from that numb-nut moron Biden who claims he told his wife to go out onto the deck and fire their shotgun. Another moron.

      Senseless, utterly senseless? Yes you are. Sorry.

      • Leijona

        No, a bullet does not come down with more velocity than when it left the barrel, and yes, I am properly trained in the use of firearms. I agree that it is not wise to discharge a weapon when you don’t know where your round is going. I guess it was inevitable that these kids were going to be shot eventually. Its just pretty sad. I guess I am amazed at how many people jump up and down for joy when something like this happens. To me it is sad.

        I am concerned at the statement by the woman that said they were shot multiple times, but I am sure LE will do a thorough investigation.

        • Patriot

          Perhaps not if it’s fired directly straight up but…

          “Bullets fired other than exactly vertical are more dangerous, as the bullet maintains its angular ballistic trajectory, is far less likely to engage in tumbling motion, and so travels at a speed much higher than its terminal velocity.” Wickapedia

          My point stands. It really doesn’t matter if your one of the injured or dead who’s struck in the head, shoulder or foot from one of those arrant projectiles.

          It would be better to put a slug in the body mass of a perp than play Russian Roulette with a shot into the air and striking an unintended victim.

          I think we need to agree to disagree on this point.

          Remember, the Barbarian Hoards are at the gates. You can choose to be a victim or you can choose to stand and fight and be counted. Right?

          • Leijona

            A bullet leaves the barrel at its highest rate of speed, and from there the forces enumerated by Mr. Newton start to take effect immediately. A bullet that is fired vertically reaches its apogee, and then returns to earth at 32 feet per second squared until it reaches its terminal velocity. Spin stabilization is lost at apogee, so the drag on the projectile would increase as it returns to earth.

            I will grant you that it is stupid to fire any weapon when you do not know where the round is going, I was simply offering a possibly less destructive alternative than the death of two teenagers. I guess it is all how you look at it. Most of the posters here think that their death was constructive. I don’t. I would like to think that maybe they could have been turned around, especially the 14 year old, but now he is dead, so I guess it does not matter, its just too bad the guy did not use a taser, but then how did he know what the perps were armed with?

            Its just sad.

        • Patriot

          Looks like we both may be right. Your scenario is true if shot straight up at 90 degrees.

          If fired at an angle between 20 to 45 degrees or even more, then the bullet will travel farther with a greater probability of hitting something (or someone). The uninterrupted ballistic trajectory will make it far less likely to engage in a tumbling motion, and allow it to continue at a higher speed over terminal velocity.

          Sorry it’s been to long since my days as a student of physics.I’m sure the load, the type of bullet, the rifling, air resistance etc all has an effect which has a bearing on it’s trajectory, speed, velocity etc.

          When shooting at a perp, I was taught not to be stingy with ammo. If you needed to use you weapon than use what you have. Better over-kill than under-kill and give the perp the opportunity of a second wind. Two to the body mass and one to the head if close enough will do the trick. They also advise women to keep shooting until their ammo ran out. If shooting with a shotgun, then one shot should have been sufficient if the perps were close enough. Unless you ever ran into someone up to no-good and you don’t know if they are armed or not, it’s always wise to error on the side of caution unless you believe that the perps life is more important than your own.

          I was once told by a Jesuit priest that “Loving my neighbor” does not mean we should love our neighbor more than ourselves. We have a duty to protect the gift that God bestowed upon us.

  • gohomeobama

    So did she invite them to Tea? So now a senior citizen has no right to protect herself and her belongings? The real criminals here are the families of the thugs…you can see how they were “made”…..

  • junkmailbin

    do the crime and pay the price. If you get your dumb arse killed it is on you. break into someones home and get killed/TS
    The family should be tried for child endangerment and have their children removed. They have proved that they are not capable of raising children that can function properly in society.
    All the whiners say well they do commit a crime ‘but” and than go lameo with some retarded excuse. The perps committed a felony ( after one at the same location), terrorized seniors ( illegal under the Senior protection laws of CA and FED), and thought that they were big men.

    Justice has been served

  • Pat Balsano O’Neill

    The problem was solved, they will not be committing any more crimes? Their parents need to look in the mirror to see where the problem began and they were not innocent!

  • froggy

    Breaking into a private home is the most dangerous and stupid thing any one can ever dare to do .You have a better chance of surviving being run over by a train than to enter my home with the intent of ripping me off .The government has taken away the ability of parents to discipline their crumb crushers and because of this parents bring the there DEAD kids home in body bags .Your government again telling parents what to do and how to raise children , can you imagine that ?

    • Patriot

      Gee, where’s jessie jackass and al not-to-sharpton?
      Still trying to figure out the money angle? 🙂

  • Chris

    I would be absolutely gutted if this happened to my child – but I am an avid believer in the sanctity and supposed security of one’s home. It is criminal that this poor lady felt terrified to live in her own home. I have two kids, and if a burglar or burglars attempts to enter I’ll let my 12GA do my talking and inquire as to their ages later. Age does not justify a free ticket to break into a home, terrorize the occupants and be expected to not face the same penalties as some 30-something drug crazed pistol-armed maniac. You kick my door in you better be prepared for the second sound you’ll hear after the sound of breaking wood and glass is over – it’ll be a big kaboom is all I have to say. My condolences to the family of these godless thieves – you should have raised them better.

  • ArmyAviator

    I would imagine that Jeffrey Dahmer’s mother, thought that Jeff was a “good boy” too! I know that Jesse James’ mother thought HE was a good boy. No doubt. The BLUF is that the two teenagers shot, were thugs and criminals. When you break into a private home, you shouldn’t be surprised when you get shot! In 1871, Wild Bill Hickok was Marshall of Abilene, KS. He was quoted as saying, “Abilene is a town of an armed citizenry. This tends to make relations both courteous and respectful.” We need more courtesy and respect for persons and property. Maybe we need to send a few more, to the cemetery. The others might then, get it!

    • Linda Shelton

      And not make excuses for them all the time. My husband was a deputy sheriff for many years in a rural area. He would pick up a kid and take him by his house to let his parents know the child was on his way to jail, and he would get “Oh No, Can’t be my Jonnie, he is up in bed” Then would come the argument that one of the parents go check. When they finally checked of course Jonnie was not in his bed. Keeping track of an erring child is not always easy I realize, but making excuses for them is really stupid.

    • Korean War Vet

      ArmyAviator, more folks in this country should be properly “armed” with more “courtesy and respect”: the kind that spits smoke and lead..

      • ArmyAviator

        You Sir, have said it, like it should be said! Thank you for your service to our country, in the “Forgotten War.”

        • Korean War Vet

          Thank YOU, friend, for remembering! 😎

      • Patriot

        An armed society is a polite society!

        • Korean War Vet

          You bet!

  • Sandy Archer

    People should feel safe in their homes and these thugs caused havoc and traumatized the homeowners. Who knows what they would have done given the chance. Rape/maim/murder/steal???? I stand with the homeowners!!!

  • retiredli

    The parents shouldn’t complain. It’s the way they raised them. Take them to Church and teach them the difference of right from wrong. In today’s society parents do nothing to discipline their children. They just give into them all the time. If I were the parents I wouldn’t want the world to know that I raised a criminal.

  • howe joseph

    Why do so many parents fail their responsibility to their children and then have the unmitigated gall to look at the victim to justify why their beloved child is dead from a criminal incident the child perpetrated. Is this part of a sick healing process or is this the new norm for a society that seems to have forgotten about the societal standards of religion and the rule of law under our Constitution. I lost a son to illness, so I am always saddened by the loss of a child by anyone, there is nothing that hurts more.

    • Patriot

      Like obama, it’s more important to be seen as being cool and being a friend rather than accepting the responsibilities of a parent!

    • Leijona

      It is fairly apparent that most of the posts here are by people that have not experienced the ravages of what drugs can do to a family. And by this I mean any family, regardless of how well the parents have done. They have not even mentioned drugs in this article, but why else would these kids have been doing what they did? It is very easy to judge the parents, but not much is known about them, which is typical for these articles. I happen to think that the lady was asking a valid question when she asked why they were shot multiple times. One shot in the legs from a 12 gage, and you are out of business. The “heat of the moment” is a good point, but I do not know how the law will see it.

      My heart goes out to you regarding the loss of your son. There is absolutely nothing worse than losing a child. I lost my daughter three years ago to a rare disease and every day is a struggle just to breathe. It leaves a huge hole in your heart.

  • Korean War Vet

    My heart bleeds ice cold water for those punks, and I have absolutely no sympathy for the parents. The one punk should have learned his lesson after the first break-in.

  • slapjack

    Your a parent 24/7 365 for life. Do your job or this is what happens when you care more about your nails prestige country club etc. For once, think about the elderly victims who lived in fear and your son and friend were dumb enough to try and rob them again. My advice to you is blame yourself a hundred times over, everyday.

  • Sthav

    I just don’t understand. Several years ago my son had a bike stolen. When the thieves showed up at home with a new bike didn’t anyone notice? Didn’t anyone ask “Hey, where that bike come from?” Now a young thief is dead. I’m sorry he died. But I don’t blame the lady defending herself. Someone needs to look in the mirror, a parent, guardian, or whoever and realize they are to blame..They need to deal with it and get off the back of those being terrorized in the night by young-uns out of control.

    • Lisa

      Several years ago my parent’s had their house broken into. They took his safe that has several thousand dollars and many savings bonds. The burglars were 6 HS boys ages 14 to 18 who were all still living at home. The boys bought cars, guns and jewelry. They ultimately got caught leaving a phone number on a $100 bill for a waitress at Sizzler. My Dad asked the same question as you. How did the parents not notice a kid with no job coming home with a car? It ultimately cost us more money than just what they stole. My Dad had to pay for storage of all the stolen property until the trial, a tax attorney because the IRS arrived before the police, lost stocks and bonds we didn’t have record of and attorney fees. The boys were ordered to pay $25 a month restitution for life and the older ones were to join the military (my Dad’s suggestion in lieu of jail). They all made one payment which didn’t cover one day of the impounded property. One entered the military but was dishonorably discharged within a year. 15 years later my Mom is still scared of police and being home alone. 2 of the boys had drug related deaths, 3 are career criminals and the last one a general deadbeat. The parents still continue to bad mouth my Dad as if it is his fault the boys broke into his house.

      • Leijona

        The military does not take scum like this in lieu of a prison term, as far as I know. They may have with small misdemeanors back during WW2 but they do not any more. We have had a volunteer military for a long time. A judges mandate is not “volunteering” If they did go into the military and wash out, they should be made to serve the remainder of their sentence in prison. Where is law enforcement on this whole issue??? Where is the Judge????

        • Lisa

          It was a private deal. My dad felt the two boys who were 18 would just become better criminals if they went to jail. He talked with the parents and the prosecutor. It is much more difficult to get in the military now. The boys agreed to volunteer and the charges would be reduced. Only one boy kept his word after the charges were reduced.

          • Leijona

            There should not have been any “Word” there should have been a signed contract. Full term in the service with honorable discharge or full term in jail. How can anyone take the word of a criminal? Stupid Judge. Your dad is a great guy. “No good deed goes unpunished” comes to mind.

            The Military does not take sludge or cannon fodder anymore. This must have been a long time ago.

  • monacall

    Mr. Coca….. you do an excellent job on anything you write about………SADLY to say would the press talk to the victims like they are giving this woman and the family of the dead thief…. as much time…. probably not. But this government wants to take the guns so of course they will get the publicity…. best ignore all of this bs….don’t watch it, don’t write about it….. don’t mention the kids names they don’t deserve it…. if anything keep mentioning the victims names….. they are the ones that deserve the publics attention….. praise their actions…..NO ONE STEALS AND GETS BY WITH IT…..WE NEED to let our legislators know this also…..

  • Shuggs

    The young criminals didn’t look like BHO this time. i guess all the race baiters will be silent on this one…..there’s no money or publicity to be gained.

    • Korean War Vet

      “Move along now, nothing to do or see here”. (Sarcasm)

  • mari

    Actions have consequences. This is a lesson that every kid needs to learn. Too many kids get away with everything and are not taught that there is a price for their choices. Then one day they cross a certain line and have to pay a very high price. This family obviously didn’t teach their boys to respect other people and their property. They can only be angry at themselves.

    • Korean War Vet

      There is no such thing as PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY taught in the home anymore.

      • mari

        Sadly so. Sadder still is the fact that they will be our caregivers when we are aged and frail. When I was young, if a kid was anywhere in the neighborhood and misbehaved, an adult would come out and paddle them and take them home for another paddling. No one got sued, only thanked by the parent and apologized to by the offender. It was a very different world.

        • Korean War Vet

          mari, our local beat patrolman knew where the kids on his beat lived; if he saw anything out of line, he would escort the little miscreant to his/her home and confront his/her parent. That was bad enough; but look out when dad came home from work! There would be bloody murder to pay for! The policeman wasn’t spit at for what he did, but he surely was thanked by the parents. Funny thing: none of us kids ever went to jail for this “horrible child abuse.” Out of the ten – twelve adolescents, teen-agers I knew of, all of us entered military service and the last I heard, we were still productive, law-abiding citizens…gee: I wonder where our parents went wrong. By the way, that was back in New York City, in the 1930s – 1950s.

          • mari

            How did we get here from there? Our relationship with the police has drastically changed. When I was about 8 (50’s in California) I was a bit of a miscreant myself. I was caught shoplifting and taken home by the store manager. There was hell to pay that night when my dad got home. Because of that accountability, I couldn’t steal anything, now. I once found a huge diamond ring in a small container at a garage sale. I asked the owner how much, then I opened it and showed her the ring and asked how much now? I could have had that ring for a few dollars.
            When did we start blaming the police for our bad actions? When did suing become more important than making sure that our children are raised properly? It was probably an offshoot of Dr. Spock’s book which helped parents redefine their role as friend instead of parent. It sounds like you have done well, must have had those “mean” parents that didn’t try to be your friend.

          • Korean War Vet

            mari, I haven’t got the answers to your questions. As for blaming the police for our problems; I don’t believe that the police are to blame. That’s the problem: we blame OTHERS for our problems. How long has it been since parents stopped teaching PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? Don’t blame THAT on the school system, either: it’s a parental duty to teach one’s children personal responsibility; it’s the school system’s responsibility to teach society’s children their ABCs and 123s. The Police, as I say, had nothing to do with the failure of society as we know it today. You say that you were caught shoplifting: did the police teach you to do that? Did your teachers advise to shoplift? What about your parents: did they teach you to shoplift? I don’t think the answer to those questions was a “yes”; you had a role model: a “friend”, maybe? No, I don’t think Dr. Spock had a hand in that behavior, but I do think that he was the forerunner of today’s stinkin’ liberal attitudes toward child-rearing. As for having “mean” parents that didn’t try to be my friend; parents aren’t meant to be “friends”, but I did have parents who were fair in giving out punishment…I didn’t think it was “fair” at the time, but I do wish they were around today, to thank them for being ‘parents’…8-)

        • Patriot

          Those were definitely better times. I once went to court to testify against a miscreant. The judge gave him a choice. Jail or enlist! He decided to enlist.

          • Korean War Vet

            You’re right; that’s how the law used to settle things; now the law-breakers are babied: “Gee, he had such a rough up-bringing; why don’t we make it up to him and give him a break?”

      • Patriot

        Nor is it being taught in our schools. Our elected officials are not teaching personal responsibility through their actions either.

        • Korean War Vet

          Patriot, I am of the firm belief that the teaching of personal responsibility rests with the PARENTS, not the school system; too many people look upon the school system as a baby-sitter. I believe that kind of thinking is what I call “Stinkin’ thinkin’.”

  • Patriot

    Yep, like Trayvon Martin!

    They won’t be victimizing decent people anymore!

    • Korean War Vet

      Patriot, if the parents would have taken better care of the little crumb-snatchers they might still be living today; I wonder what the little brats’ school records looked like…they were probably absent more than present. Oh, boo hoo, boo hoo, why is the world so mean????

      • Gorni

        The world is so mean because the liberals are backing us all into the corner and eventually, we will all come out fighting!

        • Korean War Vet

          You’ve got THAT right, Gorni!

      • Lisa

        The video states both boys were in foster care. What happened the parents couldn’t take care of them?

        • Korean War Vet

          Who knows? It doesn’t say, does it? I don’t know what it is, with news organizations, these days; they never give the full story on stuff.

          • Patriot

            Who, What, Where and When. Why if known.
            Them not giving us the full story is not by accident.

          • Korean War Vet

            You’re right, Patriot: it’s all orchestrated by the Liar-In-Chief, Obama himself; him and his little twerp, Jay What’s-his-Face.

          • Patriot

            Little twerp is an understatement when referring to Jay Carny.
            Someone once suggested that he was obama’s boy toy and I couldn’t get that disgusting picture out of my head. He needs a good beat-down just for being so obnoxious.

          • Korean War Vet

            You know, Patriot, every time I see that little twerp’s face, I’ve wondered about what you said; perhaps he REALLY is Obama’s boy-toy. I read the other day that he’s 48 years of age…to look at him, he looks like a little kid still wet behind the ears. He IS awfully protective of his puppet-master….I wonder…..

        • Patriot

          Could be dad was in prison and mom may have been working the streets. It’s not an uncommon occurrence.

  • Vigilant2

    The parents figure they might as well try to cash in on the otherwise useless little ba$tard$ …

    • Patriot

      Not until al sharton fills them in as to how much money they can get. You know, ala Trayvon Martin.

  • mike slaney

    When anyone’s son or daughter goes astray that hurts and is very painful
    to any parent, however when you play the game of “stupid,” and get
    caught, the consequences hurts everyone, esp., those that throw the
    dice. The one throwing the dice here, knew of the consequences of
    craps, he lost, and no one can beheld responsible but him. (an earlier repost)

  • Phil McMorrow

    What ye sow (crime), so shall ye reap (injury or death). I have little empathy for the family of criminals.

  • Samurai_Sam

    Maybe the parents should have informed the little ones that they weren’t allowed to go into other peoples homes with the intent of committing a crime and this wouldn’t have happened.

    A few more similar outcomes should finally get the message across to the kiddies themselves if the parents aren’t smart enough to wise them up. No loss to society!

    • Korean War Vet

      Maybe the parents should have warned the rug-rats that the neighbor might have armed herself after the first break-in?????

      • Samurai_Sam

        Maybe the parents should have warned the rug-rats that they shouldn’t be committing crimes. Or maybe the parents were too busy getting stoned or committing their own larcenous acts. or maybe they just didn’t want to stifle the little dears!

        • Korean War Vet

          Or maybe they just didn’t give a damn about the little darlings, but NOW they’re seeking monetary revenge, eh?

          • Samurai_Sam

            Justice would truly be served if the judge told those parents that they had to reimburse the victims for the bullets.

          • LeSellers

            Justice might be partially served with such a bill. But only by making the victim whole will she get her due.

            Indentured servitude may be the answer, if the family can’t pay the old woman for her pain and suffering, sell the whole bunch of ’em to the highest bidder and make ’em work off the debt. They go free when the bill is paid in full.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • Korean War Vet

            Hey! Good idea: send the parents a bill for the bullets! Love it! 8-))

    • Diesel Driver

      The problem with that is that so many of them, especially teenagers are unaware that they are not invulnerable. Or that it CAN happen to them.

      • Samurai_Sam

        The problem is that they needed their asses kicked when they got out of hand way before they got to this stage. Apparently they weren’t taught that breaking and entering is against the law. Maybe if the skools [SIC] and their parents spent more time teaching them how not to break the law and less time teaching them how to put a condom on a banana they’d still be alive today.

      • Leijona

        Spot on. They do a little meth, play grand theft auto, and think they are in that world. In the real world, there is no “Play Again”? when real weapons are involved. Invading the home of an elderly person is unforgivable.

  • William M Durham

    For you Bible haters stop reading, the rest read on. John 10:10, The thief cometh not but that he may steal and kill and destroy. Seems like this covers it all. In alot of states night time burglars are considered to be attempted murders and are routinely shot on sight when in an occupied home. I am truly sorry for anyones loss of a family member, but when family members are taught to respect the rights of others and the law, this does not happen. In this case being caught wrong, was caught dead wrong.

    • Diesel Driver

      Even here in CA if a person is in your home uninvited it is presumed under the law that they were intent on committing bodily harm and the resident is within their rights to shoot to protect themselves.

      • Leijona

        There is a thin line between protecting yourself, and issuing a coup-de- ta. Of course “the heat of the moment” comes into play with something like this. I hope the shooter has a good attorney. Remember the Bernhard Goetz case when he was heard saying “You don’t look too bad, have another” Then shot that thug in the back? I think a lot has to do with where the shooting happens though, and this was in the elderly womans house. I would still keep my mouth shut and get a good attorney. You never know how these judges today are going to rule.

    • WesTexan

      Better still, read Exodus 22:2: “If the thief is caught while breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there will be no blood guilt for him.”

      • William M Durham

        thank you. The truth hurts, but if your loved one is a thief and goes into someones home to do his/her deed what they receive is just what they looked for , relief from their life’s hardship. Someone should have taught them better to respect the rights and lives of others, Now they know.

  • blackhawk132

    rat a tat bang bang bang

  • Watchdogman

    I don’t see anyone siding with the “grieving” parents…If they truly were parents their little darling would be home and not committing crimes and not dead!!!

  • stanley

    kill em all let god sort em out AMEN

    • LeSellers

      How does that make the victims whole?

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      • Patriot

        I think it’s called satisfaction and revenge 🙂

        • LeSellers

          That’s not an effective way of dealing “justice”. True justice lets the criminal repay his victims and lets the victim carry on with his life. (The case where the victim dies, it makes it so the victim’s relatives can carry on with theirs, as far as possible.)

          Revenge is an emotional reaction. It is not satisfying in the long run.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • Patriot

            May be an emotional reaction but it’s one that has been around as long as man and it does fill an emotional need. I hear some say that it’s also delicious if served cold 🙂

            I don’t recall prefacing my remarks as having anything to do with “Justice”. Actually, I was guessing as to what stanley meant.

  • Mary

    Two less teen thugs growing uo to steal, rape and muder as adults.
    The homeowmer did the only thing left to
    protect herself
    GOOD, She protetectd herself beautifully

  • john barleycorn

    why is this still news

    • LeSellers

      Because libs think like this, even when it’s old news. It’s always poverty or racism, or some other lame excuse, when a victim has to defend himself.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • vbirddogs

    It’s always tragic when young kids get killed for crimes such as this. But, with the ever continuing breakdown of the family, and good family values and morals, it’s going to happen more and more. These parents are grieving and I understand that, but there’s just NO excuse for what their son’s did. It’s just inexcusable. And, even more disturbing that they were targeting a senior citizen. Show’s even more a lack of character and moral development when these kids chose to target someone who was pretty much helpless. But, then again, we see that lack of moral character and ethics in the actions of the self-serving parents who are now claiming their son’s were the victims. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Willing to bet they’re democrats and voted for opuke too.

    • Korean War Vet

      Right ON!

    • Diesel Driver

      But hey! It would be stupid to try to rob someone who could fight back. Old people can’t fight back so they get robbed. On the other hand, some snakes are deadly poison. Others just look like the ones that are deadly poison. The problem is discerning which is which. Apparently some old people only Look like they can’t fight back. To bad robber.

  • DetroitDom

    If the family of these two punks (rightfully shot) take the victim to court via a lawsuit, the judge do the following:
    – throw the case out of court
    – force the family (plaintiff) to pay the FULL legal costs of the defendant
    – force the family to pay the FULL court costs

    If they are poor and do not have the money, the court should garnish their undeserved Federal Tax Return Check every year until ALL costs are covered in full. See if the next set of morons try to sue the victims.

    • LeSellers

      I’d hope the court would also force the families to pay the victim(s) for their pain and suffering — even if that means they have to be sold into indentured servitude to make the victims whole.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      • DetroitDom

        Hell NO! I wouldn’t want those losers anywhere near my home or family members. Make ’em go pick up trash on the road side for a few months every weekend.

        • Diesel Driver

          I don’t think he meant what you thought. I agree with you. let them pickup litter and if they don’t get enough extend their time.

          • LeSellers

            The issue is not “punishment”. What’s important is that the criminals make the victims whole.

            Crime is a blight on society, but victims should not have to shoulder that burden: it ought to be the criminals who set things straight.

            Picking up litter does nothing for the victim (although a prettier place is always better than a trashy one). If litter-picking is all he’s qualified for, it would take a very, very long time for him to rectify his errors. But that’s fine by me.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • Patriot

            Restitution is also a good thing.

        • LeSellers

          Ships’ captains held indentures and sold them to others. You need not have the guy in your personal service. Just find someone (and there’d be whole industries who’d buy those certificates) who’d take him, and you get the money without the headaches.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

        • LeSellers

          How do you propose making the victims whole?

          It’s not the taxpayers’ job: it’s the perpetrator who should do it. If they can’t pay the piper with cash, they need to pay with sweat.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

    • Horatius at the Bridge

      I think the homeowner should sue the family of the dead (good) criminals for the cost of the ammunition and cleaning supplies.

      • LeSellers

        And a whole lot more. If an old woman feels compelled to sell her home because of the fear the scum caused her, the family should make her whole. And that remains true even if it means the family must be sold into indentured servitude until the bill is paid in full.

        Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • ActualConundrum

    Yes they deserved to die. All criminals deserve what they get when they choose to do crime. They chose death by misadventure. The family needs to accept they were criminals. And death or prison is how that ends.

    Perhaps they are a family of thieves and con men. And will use the corpse of their son to con money for themelves..

  • Diesel Driver

    I’m curious. The friends and family claim the “boys” were on the way out. Just figured if that was the case then they must have been shot in the back and the home defense rule would not have applied. Investigators did not charge the shooter right? That tells me the F&F are lying. Their “boys” were thieves and thugs and deserved what they got. Dear F&F, if you want to blame someone for your “boys” deaths, blame yourself for not bringing them up properly.

    • WesTexan

      Home defense still applies—at least where I live. If someone breaks into my home, it’s probably dark. Whatever their stance, they are fair game. If I see an intruder—the profile or outline—I will shoot for center body mass. Or should I stop and ask them if they are facing me or have their back to me? When you fear for your life and the adrenaline is pumping, subtle details can be easily obscured.

    • Patriot

      If they are just leaving, just yell out “HEY!, IS THIS YOURS?” When he turns around unload!

  • DetroitDom

    OK LIBS . . .. WANT TO SAVE LIVES OF MISGUIDED CHILDREN? HERE’S A SOLUTION:

    The next time a teenager gets caught stealing (car-jacking, burglary, etc) bring him in front of his entire school and remove one hand with an ax. The perp doesn’t die and all the other kids watching this will think twice about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    See how easy that was? No more dead teens when they realize that next time, it may be them before their classmates losing a limb.

    • Diesel Driver

      Sorry dude, that seems way to much like Sharia law for me. A public flogging is good though. Doesn’t maim them and hurts and shames them. Punishment should hurt, should not maim, and should be harsh enough to teach them not to do it again.

      • DetroitDom

        Maybe you’re right. But, if not done properly, the perp will come out of it a hero (having been stronger than the punishment) instead of a contrite, changed person.

        If the perp is a repeat offender, whip his daddy or momma’s rear end too.

        Something needs to change. Stupid kids making very stupid decisions are ending badly. Not so worried about the perps as I am for the victims and their families.

        • Diesel Driver

          I agree. That’s why the punishment needs to be harsh. Incarcerating a few who get caught with others of their kind sure isn’t working. Second time stocks and flogging, third time execute.

        • The duck

          The problem is you damn well better not spank your kid nd train them in what i right and wrong. If you do you goto jail yourself. Today good is evil and evil is good.

      • Gorni

        Bring the stocks back. They worked in colonial times!

        • Korean War Vet

          Definitely! Make laughing stocks out of them, and they might even THINK (if they have a mind to think with) twice. Even print their pictures in the papers. Absolutely.

    • LeSellers

      Make ’em pay the victims’ costs. Restore the victim to his previous condition (or pay a lot for a dead guy.)

      If the rest of the school (ugh! I hate government-run, tax-funded welfare schools) sees that he must work fifteen years to pay off his victims, they won’t be so eager to rob and kill themselves.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      • Patriot

        You can’t make them pay restitution! They would just brake into someone else s abode to raise the cash! 🙂

        • LeSellers

          Sorry, missed the smiley. But …

          Not if they were treated like the indentured servants of the XVIII. Remember, it’s not about punishment, it’s about restitution.

          If the criminal’s indenture is sold to a third party (someone in a far distant state would be great), and was in a facility designed for such people, and could get out of there as soon as his debt was paid in full (according to the contract), he’d have every incentive to do the best he could, and get on with his life.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • Patriot

            I assume your referring to Louis Stanislas Xavier XVIII?

            Good point!

          • LeSellers

            Well, no. I use upper case Roman numerals to refer to centuries AD and lower case for centuries BC. Although Louis XVIII was un bon roi, I’m sure.

            But thanks for the kind words.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • Patriot

            My misunderstanding. 🙂 I was scratching my head trying to figure out the reference.

          • Lazy J

            If you are enamored of indentured service, read a little of Irish and Scot history during settlement of America and Australia. Little children were rounded up and sent to the colonies as indentured servants just to fill a quota on the recruiters list. Some of them may be your ancestors some were mine. Forced to live in company housing, were company clothing, eat company food, draw pay just high enough to pay off your indenture by the time you died. Oh, yes those were the fun days. That’s why a lot of Mexicans have Irish names, they ran away from their “masters” and fled to safety.

          • Patriot

            Sorry, I don’t need a history lesson. I didn’t realize I was speaking of indentured servitude? I guess I missed something or you misread something. I do believe I was writing regarding restitution. Two completely different things.

          • Lazy J

            Sorry Patriot, I was answering LaSellers. not accusing him either. So many have a warped vision of indentured servitude because most history today is diluted to make things seem better than reality. I get to ranting over it after reading some of the older stuff, like the writings of Benjamin Franklin – a rogue and a vast intellect who had so much to do with our great country’s beginnings. Restitution in the case of terrorizing elderly people just doesn’t cut it. Why should they have to suffer the fear and then be “restored”? They paid their way long before the youth of today were even a gleam.
            There I am on the stump again. Have a good day and thank you for your quality comments.

          • Patriot

            No problem Lazy J. This wouldn’t be the first time someone responded to me rather than the individual it was intended for.

            I get a bit agitated when I hear some blacks throwing slavery
            around.What do they think Indentured servitude was?

            Your feelings about the writings of Franklin, reminds me of the fits I was having when people without a clue (usually left-wingers) were talking about the 2nd amendment when they didn’t even look through the Federalist Papers to get definitions regarding the language usage of the time or the intent of the founding fathers. Enough to make one want to scream! Oh well, so much for my rant!

            By the way Franklin was a rather randy guy. Some say he was the real father of the nation. He also liked to open all the windows, sit in a chair naked and take a breeze bath. 🙂

            Have a good one!

          • Lazy J

            I agree with him. Philadelphia in the summer was always miserable, hot, humid and any way to catch a stray breeze should be acceptable. I grew up on the Oklahoma and Texas prairies. With a large front and back yard, it was everyone sleeping on the porch in nothing but underwear. Way too hot to go in the bedroom. No one was castigated for it either. All were in the same boat except for a rich family we heard about in another county. They had refrigerated air, whatever that was. I know, I’m telling my age. I was 20 years old before I rode in a car with a factory installed heater (that was in the Army)..

          • Leijona

            Indentured servitude is working off a debt.

            Slavery was the actual ownership of another human being.

            Rather significant difference.

          • Patriot

            Not really. They are siblings of the same insidious master.

          • Leijona

            Well, technically they are different, but when you make the payback so prohibitive, and the cost to simply survive so high, you might just as well call them both slavery. “The Grapes of Wrath” comes to mind. What a book.

          • Patriot

            Good point Leijona! Another way may be to simply say they are opposite sides of the same coin. Either way, they are both evil.

          • Patriot

            Read Lazy j’s thread.

          • LeSellers

            The crime happened when it happened. Neither the elderly nor anyone else can determine when a criminal decides to victimize him.

            So, whatever else may occur, the criminal needs to make the victim whole, and, if they cannot pay in cash, they must pay in sweat. And, no matter how long it takes, that indenture should last long enough to cover all of the costs involved, including pain and suffering, capture, trial, etc. Being poor is no free ticket: every criminal should repay his victims (including
            “society”).

            A third party can buy the indenture, and move the criminal to a distant place. The costs involved in that must also be recovered. The criminal must understand that he cost others, and he must repay.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will three ever be any Jobs?

          • Lazy J

            How right you are, however, in most cases the seniors have a very short time frame to be mad whole. The teens can never do enough time or break enough rocks to make me feel they have paid for attacking the elderly, disabled or very young. They do it to make themselves feel powerful because in comparison those victims are poorly equipt to defend themselves. The gun made the difference and that pair of teens paid bid time. Now we hear their family is making noise about the victim using excess force? In the immortal words of the duke, “Not Hardly.” It was just barely enough force.

          • LeSellers

            I agree. I’d add that the “heirs” of the criminal should be forced to pay the victim, especially if they are so arrogant as to sue (or even threaten a suit) the victim for killing (or harming in any way) their “loved one”. This would not apply to the minor children of the felon, but to those who should have taught him respect for others.

            I’m torn a bit as to when the responsibility should end. One of my friends says it’s “never”, as long as the parent and the child are alive — even if he’s sixty. But I know that a parent is not as influential when the child is twenty as at age 15. Anyway, that’s the subject of a different conversation.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • LeSellers

            Restitution is the subject. Indentured servitude is one means of getting there.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • LeSellers

            As I envision it, indentured servitude for restitution from a crime is supposed to be painful.

            The concept I propose serves two purposes.
            1) It gives the criminal the opportunity to restore his victim to the same state he was in before the crime.
            2) It teaches the criminal the true cost of crime.

            There is a third advantage: It gives the victim a chance to forgive the criminal. All he need do is negate the indenture. Under criminal law, the victim has no rights. He cannot forgive (with any effectiveness) because “society” must have its pound of flesh, even though “society” is not the one harmed.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will three ever be any Jobs?

          • Lazy J

            I was referring to the fact that innocent people including children have been the traditional victims of indentured servitude throughout history. If we forget history, we are bound to repeat it, example :: Barry Soetero following the path of Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

          • LeSellers

            In USmerica, we have the XIII that forbids slavery and indentured servitude except as punishment for crime.
            Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

            While your fears are well grounded in historical events, the fact is that, with decent laws in place, they would not manifest in the future.

            There is one thing about indenture that seems to be forgotten, though. It was a generally good thing for most people involved: the children who were indentured learned a trade that their fathers could not impart. For someone like Ben Franklin (an indentured servant under the name of “apprentice”), he learned a trade that made him wealthy and gave him opportunities his father could never have on his own.

            For adults who entered indenture willingly, they traded (typically) seven years of their lives in return for passage to the new world (or some similar service rendered). It was a contract they initiated in order to better their lives (and those of their families). Some indentured servants were criminals even in the XVIII and later. Australia was, essentially, populated by British convicts who were, for all practical purposes, indentured servants.

            Mr. Magoo O’bama, will three ever be any Jobs?

    • The duck

      That is Sharia Law and hs no place in America uder any cirumstance. I will not live under Islamic rule ever. My values are American constitutional and ruleof law. Whatever ours are tae them to Iranor someplace like it.This is America first and forever. SEMPER FI

      • Gorni

        This is why we need to remind the politicians, the teachers and educate the little rug-rats that this is a REPUBLIC. We live by the document called the Constitution!

        • Patriot

          As one of the dems elected officials was recorded saying… “I don’t care what the constitution says” Real first class commie jerk.

      • Leijona

        Amen! Back at you with the Semper Fi. The day they enact Sharia law in this country is the day I fire until I dry fire or cannot continue to squeeze off a round. They can take their laws and their religion and stick them up their collective axes.

    • Patriot

      Now, that’s a good idea! 🙂

      Some societies do just that. A missing hand, arm or leg tells people what crime they committed. It also serves as a warning to other wannabees.

      • Leijona

        Yeah thats a great idea. The kids today cannot find their axes with both hands and you want to chop one of them off?

    • Leijona

      I take it you are a muslim? That is what they do.

  • PEPPERMINT2014

    I have warning sign on my front door ” This door is locked for YOUR protection , not mine “

    • LeSellers

      You assume those would-be robbers can read.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • slk5

    maybe had they done something as they walked out of their parents door, they wouldn’t have been walking out of a burglarized home’s door!!!

    • LeSellers

      Idle hands are the devil’s workshop.

      Parents need to be sure there are few idle hands.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      • slk5

        you had it right the first time!!!

        • LeSellers

          Well, O’bama, like Quincy Magoo, is a bungler, near-sighted, and feckless. Neither pays for the devastation their wake, but there is a difference: Magoo was merely a bumbler, O’bama is a cunning and evil man.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

          • Gorni

            obama is a rag head. (sorry, I can’t capitalize his name) BTW….. did anyone ever see the POS wear a blue turban? Just curious?

          • slk5

            i always omit the “o”, although no disrespect to alabama fans!!!

          • slk5

            bingo!!!

    • Diesel Driver

      Hmmm. I think they were carried out on a gurney… Good riddance.

      • slk5

        at their age, more was to come!!! thank God that road is a dead end now!!!

  • thewizardofaz

    If the families of the burglars were so damned concerned about their “boys”, they’d have done something to prevent such behavior before it happened. Such break ins go so wrong, so fast, that there is no time to think to oneself, “is this a good boy or a bad boy?”. “Innocent good boys” kill.

    • Diesel Driver

      Good boys don’t break into other people’s homes to rob them.

      • Korean War Vet

        That’s basically what I just said, Chris.

    • Korean War Vet

      I would not stop to ask myself ‘…is this a good boy or a bad boy?’ Something’s wrong here.

      • thewizardofaz

        That’s what I just said…

        • Korean War Vet

          Yeah….we were on the same wave-length.

          • Gorni

            You and every true Patriot are on the same thought processes. Good thing because if we don’t get that POS out of the WH soon, it will be harder to reverse the damage.

            I’m out for a while….. gotta keep the roof over the head. It’s been great chatting with you! Peace-out!

          • thewizardofaz

            Thank YOU for your service. My dad was a Korean war vet. It was with either the Army 7th or 25th ID, I cannot recall which, he was in both at one point or another. 13th Combat engineers. Was at Chosin with the Marines. I’m 24 year AF retired.

          • Korean War Vet

            Thank YOU for remembering, and for your service to God and Country! If your dad’s still among the living, please extend to him also, my sincere thanks and appreciation for his service! A lot of the Korean War vets are in the footsteps of the World War Two vets now…we’re dying-off by the numbers. I’m retired AF (1951 – 1972)I f, a few months over 20 years; got involuntarily extended “for the convenience of the government”, during the Kennedy Administration, when Kennedy, Kruschev, and Castro got into a little “argument”, shall we say, over the Cuban Missile Crisis, back in 1962. We almost had us a nuclear war then. I felt sorry for those poor guys that got sent to the Chosin Reservoir area…they had it really bad.

          • Lazy J

            Both you and your dad deserve kudos for your service. I missed the Korean conflict by three years. We couldn’t even call it a war since it technically was a UN / North Korea conflict and our congress never declared war. People still died! As to the two god boys, they are now. They’ll never rob another enfeebled elderly person for the SS money. They’ll never kill another old person who’s unable to defend him/ her self. Hooray!

    • LeSellers

      If he’s in my house uninvited, he’s already answered the question.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • gwedem5995

    Anyone who breaks into another person’s home, deserves whatever happens to him.
    Had they not be killed, they would have gone to trial and probably given probation and been back out on the street to do it again. No one in their home should have to live in fear.

  • The duck

    It is a USA constitutional right to be secure in your person property and papers. To secure means to me that I have he right to defend myself, my family and m property from invasion and threat of loss by any means I need to to preserve my person, family and property. If I am old and feable then a weapon that has the ability of deadly force should be permissible. Anyone, teenager or adult entering another persons property should do so openly and respectfully or face the consequences. But our liberal cry baby society thinks we should allow anyone to invade or homes and steal and kill at will and we should just stand by and allow that to happen. Did I miss something in my upbringng?

    • Gorni

      No, you didn’t miss a thing but the dead teenagers did! Your upbringing is still going in the right direction!

  • Doug

    We need to stop saying “it was a mistake” when someone commits a crime. It is not a mistake – it is a selfish decision to victimize others for personal gain. They thought, designed and executed a known crime. They knew there was the probability of someone being in the home when they committed the crime. AND THEY KNEW IT WAS AN ELDERLY WOMAN. This is not the process of a mistake but of evil people targeting those who are unlikely to be able to defend them self.

  • talljohn777

    Good riddance….

  • Kristine Bowles

    We live in a world where kids are not taught respect for others. These kids broke into someone’s home and had done so before and had they gotten away with it would have done so again with no thought for anyone but themselves. Teach your kids morals, manners, and values and you won’t have this going on so much.

  • 4USA2

    When someone, regardless of age, breaks into your home, your life is in danger. You do what you do to protect your life. If the boys hadn’t broken into the house, committing a crime, they would still be enjoying Sunday dinner with heir families. It’s really starting to be a crock that the perp is made out to be the victim and then we have these massive law suits against THE REAL VICTIM. Seems there should be a law that says if someone is killed in the process of committing a crime, there can be NO SUING by any surviving family members. The loss of a child is especially sad but no one should MAKE MONEY off of the fact a crime was being committed.

    • Larry

      A new law is not necessary, in regards to suing the victim. What we must have are judges that will look at the case and throw these kinds of law suits out of court as irrelative. But what we have today are corrupt judges/attorneys that allow these kinds of law suits, ALL FOR MONEY! The way we can stop this, is to not elect them in the first place. Know who you are voting for.
      In regards to federal judges, impeach those that do not follow the Constitution.

  • ste1021

    Don’t want to get shot? DON’T ROB HOUSES!

    • Patriot

      Those are good words to live by! 🙂

    • Leijona

      Best comment award! *****

      • ste1021

        Thank you!

  • barto

    Parents should tell their children the dangers of robbing someone’s home with them inside! The woman homeowner cannot be blamed for protecting herself from burglars.

    • Leijona

      Yeah! they should teach them to only rob houses when the owners aren’t home. LOLOL

  • Walt wenger

    Even the police will tell you that you have a right to shoot anyone in your home and if you do, the first thing to do is to “finish them off, because dead people can’t sue” and also because “it makes the paperwork easier” — just as I was told by a State Policeman.
    If you are sufficiently afraid of death or serious injury, IN YOUR OWN HOME, you have every right to shoot to kill the aggressor.
    While I agree that it is a shame that two teenagers died, it was THEIR FAULT that they broke into that home. I would not doubt that if they were, in fact, hungry, that if they had courteously knocked on the door during the daytime and explained that they were being denied food by their parents/guardians that the resident would probably have fed them at least a little. Perhaps the parents/guardians need to be investigated for child abuse for causing these children to break into houses for food because they were hungry.

    • LeSellers

      The laws regarding self defense vary state-to-state, even city-to-city. Follow this advice only at your own peril.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      • gary

        I still say dont call the PD. Call some close friends and have them help you dispose of the body. Its so much easier that way.

        • LeSellers

          Unfortunately, that is a crime in and of itself.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • grumpy

    These children should not have been shot. The homeowners in this community should have done more to make their homes impenetrable. It’s their fault that they made it so easy for these little tykes to get into the home. Boys will be boys. It’s not like anyone has ever been beat up or shot by an intruder. That never happens. We really need to take everyones guns away so these misguided youths will not be in mortal fear of their lives every time they want to venture into someone else’ home. Sooner or later the poor tots would have been caught by the authorities. Then they could have been released gently back into their natural habitat.

    • Doug

      Yes – let us build our own prisons, wait for security guards to allow us to walk out our homes and protect us. Lets take our guns away so the criminals will rape us of all the things we worked for. It is better to live in hell than be free. You are absolutely right?

      • Leijona

        Again, It is so clear that grumpy’s comment is tongue in cheek that you would have to be a moron to take issue with it.

        • Doug

          Sadly this is what liberals advocate so I do not assume it is anything other than his position. So enlighten me with your wisdom

          • gary

            Its true, that is the position of liberals, theyre just not that point blank about it. There is no logic whatsoever in the liberal mindset, and thats why everything that normal people know to be wrong is currently correct and socially accepted in this messed up society we live in. This is why its important to have like minded friends. When someone breaks into your house and forces you to defend yourself and your family, NEVER EVER CALL THE POLICE if you live in a liberal DemRcrap state. Call your friends to help you move the body and dispose of it. Then when the criminals families are wondering where they dissappeared to, you can wash your hands of the whole thing. PS – it helps to have a throw away or a spare barrel for your firearm to throw off ballistics tests.

          • Leijona

            Even liberals are not that solicitous. ” released gently back into their natural habitat “?????

          • Doug

            This is your wisdom? It is easy to criticize others and cowardly to denigrate them without inputting anything of substance or facing them in person. You must feel alone to place your throne above all others and to look down upon mankind with contempt but there is another who wants to place his throne above all others as well.

          • Leijona

            Yeah you are right, Sorry Doug. I was being a pompous axe.

          • Doug

            Thank you Leijona

    • gary

      Grumpy, I have to assume this is your best effort at sarcasm LOL

      • Doug

        absolutely – but your comments does indeed bring out the evil in our society. What we need is a spiritual change, not physical changes. In every study it is proven when law abiding citizens are defenseless, they are preyed upon by the lawless. Every Satanic society has disarmed its citizens so evil can prey upon the good. When I read your post, I can only believe that your position is the same.

        • gary

          Doug, 5 years ago, I didnt own a firearm. I learned how to use one as a kid, but never felt the need to own one until 5 years ago when I really saw how far society has collapsed, So far, Ive had to draw my gun twice on criminals. Theyre lucky I DO have morals and a strong belief in god, or else I would have shot them for sure. But being able to scare on away and subdue the other, I let them keep their lives. Yeah, my position is definitely the same. I couldnt agree more.

          • Doug

            Sorry about my comment Gary, I saw Grumpy first and I overlook your name. My comments are directed at Grumpy and his position on fortifying the home and getting rid of guns from the law abiding citizen. sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

          • Leijona

            It is so clear that grumpy’s comment is tongue in cheek that you would have to be a moron to take issue with it.

          • gary

            Its all good Doug, I cant speak for Grumpy, but really, I do believe he was being sarcastic. Its cool, We all have the same interests at heart. Be safe.

    • Carol Skelton

      Like your sarcasm font. Wish I had one.

  • Iceback

    Of coarse they were shot multiple times! You want them to get up again and attack you! nOT ALWAYS, BUT OFTEN TIMES……….bad children=bad parents. Why were they out at that time?

  • Brenda Lewis

    WHY WERE THEY BREAKING INTO A ELDERLY HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT????????BELIEVE ME IF THEY BROKE INTO MY HOME I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING!!!!!TEACH YOUR CHILDREN MORALS AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Patricia McGehee

    Break the law you deserve to die. My home was broken into. I found a man head and shoulder through a small window in my bedroom. When I said I’d get my gun I (having no gun) ran out the front door yelling for someone to call the police.Everyone was at work. I had to go back into the house pretending to talk with someone and then grabbed my phone.
    Today, I have a gun and if that ever happens again a bullet will go between that AH’s eyes with no regret, REGARDLESS OF HIS AGE. A person does not stop to ask how old an intruder is and pat him on the back and send him back home. That is pure ignorance. Break in to someone’s home and die is my motto.

  • seeymour kleerly

    I’m with the home protector.

  • Doug Icenhower

    Mr. Coca pretty much has said it all in his commentary. The fault, to me, seems to lie in the simple fact that the media gives the relatives of the deceased home invaders a forum through which to voice their pitiful regrets at the loss of a loved one, or if not a loved one, the loss of a dependent from the yearly tax form.

  • The Brigadier

    The family should have been looking after their criminal son. We are living in an increasing lawless society as people are expected to allow criminals to steal, maim and kill honest citizens. Most states in the nation have the “Castle Doctrine” law. California does too and while that states doctrine says the person must shot have entered to perform bodily harm, how can that proven? The elderly woman needs a good attorney to get this shooting charge dismissed, and maybe Eagle Rising and Onan can find one for her gratis.

    • Sharon Jeanguenat

      The police found the fingerprints of one of the boys that was shot, from where he had broken into the home before. I’d say that was reasonable cause for shooting.

      • Leijona

        Interesting that they found them the second time, but missed them the first time. Maybe they looked a little harder because a couple of people were dead?

        • Gorni

          Read the article again. The police tested for the finger prints the first time and this is how they knew that it was the same person who had previously broken into the home when they found the same prints from this intrusion. The police DID NOT MISS THEM THE FIRST TIME. How else would they know that the kid had been their before. Geeeeez!

          “Police
          have also said that fingerprints taken at the scene also prove that at
          least one of the boys had been a part of at least one previous break-in
          into the home. She had reason to fear these boys.”

        • Carol Skelton

          Well, sounds like you are a member of the “you have too much and I have nothing, so it is my right to take your things” society. It is my sincere hope we never become neighbors.

          • Leijona

            How did you come to that conclusion? I am a member of the fought for my country in Vietnam, started and ran several free enterprise, private sector companies, (Never sucked off the government teat) and I retired at 66 after working about 60 hours a week for my whole life, member. How many Tax producing, as opposed to tax absorbing companies did you start, Carol? As far as the fingerprints go, Gorni straightened me out on that one. I misread the story. These guys apparently had a B&E History that had gone undiscovered, or unpunished. Well they are gone now, and that’s that.

            It is simply a sad commentary on the state of the union, in my opinion, and once again, I suspect that drugs are the root cause. Drugs can wreak havoc on even the best of families, and the most dedicated parents. Apparently, the posters who slam the parents do not know this, or have never had to suffer through it. I wish them all the best, but I have learned to “Never say Never” the hard way. I am not so fast to judge anymore.

          • mojo

            Are you saying that they may have taken a lesson from the little half breed president and his hitler style regime, blamed this old lady for all their problems and that entitled them to anything she had.

    • Leijona

      You want to clear this sentence up a bit? Hopefully you weren’t giving any orders to the troops.

      “California does too and while that states doctrine says the person must
      shot have entered to perform bodily harm, how can that proven?”

      • The Brigadier

        Sorry a bit dyslexiclike when I try and write very quickly. It should have read “…a person shot (by a homeowner) must have first entered to perform bodily harm…..”. Perhaps you should get a job as an editor. Or are you just a nitpicker?

        • Carol Skelton

          Most of us reading your post knew what you were saying. Sounds like a nitpicker.
          Otherwise, you were just accused of having an army. Like your name by the way.

          • The Brigadier

            That’s very kind of you Carol. Thanks.

    • Destry

      Actually it’s the state of the mind of the victim; in most states if you are in fear for your life or bodily harm, the use of deadly force is justified, In this particular case it wasn’t stated that there were any charges filed against the shooter trying to defend her home and herself against lawless punks.

  • Sharon Jeanguenat

    Too many parents are mentally absent when it comes to raising their kids. They let the kids do as they please, then blame everybody else but themselves, when something happens to this kids.

    • LeSellers

      One reason they are “absent” is that the government has convinced the majority that it alone is competent to teach them. Thus we have government-run, tax-funded welfare schools and bureaucrats teaching children things the parents should, things like morality and respect. Government is not good at either of these things.

      Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

      • rhondareichel

        just as government should butt out of education….we need to get rid of the dept. of education and let the states handle it.

        • LeSellers

          No, the states should not handle it. They, too, are “government”.

          Those who should “handle it” are parents.

          Mr. Magoo O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?

  • mesaman

    These enabling parents are now facing the fruits of their labor. Their anger should have been vented in teaching these thugs responsibility and the rights of others, long before they brought dishonor on their families. Proactive parenting is much easier than reactive anger is.

  • Gary

    If the family members feel bad they can always join the thugs in the grave and plead their case there. (Destination unknown.)

  • Jd Collins

    wo-bama!

  • Richard

    If the family’s gave a crap about the little thugs then they might have raised them to respect other peoples property and not turn to crime. As far as I am concerned they got what they deserved. You start down a road of crime and your life expectancy drops!

  • lokiswife

    Liberals will take the side of the parents of the little creeps, not bothering to ask why they were breaking into the woman’s house again, conservatives will side with the woman’s right to protect herself in her own home. See how divided a country we are?

    • sirwiley

      There is a difference in being divided and being right and wrong. This is not about right and left, but rights and criminality and the consequences of doing evil.

      • Carol Skelton

        lokiswife is right. Look back at all that has happened in the past 6 years. The young are being taught that it is ok to to wrong, because they can be rewarded for it. They are being taught that it is the victim’s fault. It is seen more and more in the news.

        • John Cherish

          But this isn’t about being divided by left and right as was her point. It is about what is right and what is wrong or in other terms good or evil

      • rhondareichel

        All parents make mistakes sometimes but I think it’s more a matter of bad priorities and neglect when their kids turn into criminals. A lot of parents just throw money at their kids instead of spending time with them.

    • Ellen

      Has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. This is criminality, pure and simple.

  • Karlb
  • sirwiley

    Those families that think the burglars should not have died should have taught them the possible consequences of doing burglaries! Very poor parenting there.

    • Leijona

      There are a lot of people in denial out there, Wiley, especially those that felt they did all the right things as parents.

  • fritzmerde

    Ya gotta love America. If these aholes were home in bed where they belong, or had a father to straighten their butts out they may have turned out a little better. Sadly you failed as a parent, your lack of parenting put them in the hole. Blame the correct person mom, get a handheld mirror & check it out, you failed them, they were your responsibility & you got them killed-period

    • rhondareichel

      Haven’t you ever seen kids though that were raised in a good family and all the kids except one are upstanding? I think the bad seed theory comes into play sometimes.

  • Disbelief

    Utter lack of parenting + very poor judgement = they asked for it.

  • pete0097

    If my kids were killed by a homeowner whose home they were breaking into, I could not even think of sueing, I would be too embarrassed and have to move to another state.

  • ted1478

    There little POSs got just what they deserved. Maybe if you raised then proper they would still be alive.

    • rhondareichel

      The Bible says raise up your children in the way that they should go and they will not depart from it

  • nellie_bell

    families need to train their young people to RESPECT OTHERS AND THEIR PROPERTY….. they DO NOT have the right to TERRORIZE little old ladies in the middle of the night…. THEY GOT WHAT WAS COMING THEIR WAY! the families of the boys want to cry over spilled milk, then they should have thought about training their sons NOT to do such things! SHAME ON THEM for doing such a POOR job of raising their boys! Had they done right by them the boys would have never considered breaking into anyone’s home and they would still be alive….. time to DEAL with YOUR MISTAKES PARENTS!

  • Ellen

    Onan, you are absolutely right. These parents think it is ok for their kids to break in into other peoples’ houses, at night? No wonder their kids are out for no good. These parents, siblings should be taken into custody and shown what is right and what is wrong. Because what this teens did were definitely wrong and criminal.

  • HuntforHope

    A wise rule to follow is that if you are at home and someone breaks in then they are dangerous to you. Real simple…

    • Sandy129

      They aren’t coming for coffee and donuts…

  • James

    They broke the law and that is it. To bad. Parents did not do their job, just like Eric Holder and Obama have taught these children, some people may be above the law in government, but not this home

  • Glenn HENDRIKSEN

    …..FORGET these ‘misplaced’ PARENTS……………’not’ children……..PARENTS!…..as the old saying states…….WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND…….and ‘your sillyass’ kids………….BORE THE BRUNT of this statement……….OH WELL !!….as a parent myself……..I would ‘accept’ the CONSEQUENCES………LIKE IT OR NOT !!!….in all ACTUALITY………….YOU parents should have ‘suffered’…..with YOUR lives……….

    • Ewade

      Idiot.

      • Glenn HENDRIKSEN

        ………BLOW IT OUT your ‘culo’…………..!!!

    • rhondareichel

      that’s kind of harsh….now both parents work and are struggling to make a living in many cases and yes they made a mistake but they paid a high price for it too. I just think they should have enough respect for themselves and others not to whine about their children being shot in the commission of a crime.

      • Glenn HENDRIKSEN

        …….little LATE now would ‘one’ not say?………..having kids is a LUXURY………NOT…….a ‘necessity’………….BELIEVE ME how well I should know TODAY……………….

  • ort

    “For the wages of sin is death.” Those boys got what their behavior dictated. It is their fault, and no one else’s. When will the VICTIMS be given justice? I have no tears for criminals.

    • Sandy129

      I feel bad the kids had to die but you are right and only God knows how many other lives were saved by taking theirs early on.

      • ort

        Agreed. Their deaths saved the taxpayers money, and future victims a lot of grief.

      • Henry L

        If you think about how many other lives were saved, how can you be sad about these hoodlums’ dying? They did not HAVE to die.

        • Sandy129

          No they didn’t. They didn’t nave to burglarize an old lady’s home either. Only God knows if they would have taken others’ lives and at the rate they were going and getting away with it, it would only be a matter of time before they added murder to their thievery.

          • Henry L

            Well, we are totally in agreement. What I meant was that they did not have to die but because of their criminal actions they did.

  • bfit58

    is it any wonder that the parents and family members of teenage criminals are blaming the victims of their teenage relatives crimes for defending themselves? Maybe, if the parents of these teens took on the responsibility of raising socially responsible children, they wouldn’t be mourning the death of their children.

  • standtallall

    When they call these good boys “misunderstood, one must make a list to explain the true meaning of the word. First, they may have “misunderstood”, their parents if and when they told them to respect the properly of others. They may have “misunderstood” that actions have consequences. They may have “misunderstood” the concept that people have the right to defend their home and property. I do not gloat over their deaths, or their parents tears. I will try harder to teach my grandchildren in a manner that they will not “misunderstand” about the costs of foolish actions and pray that they “understand” fully the difference between right and wrong.

    • ToadStoolManor1

      Wasn’t the fact that they MiSUNDERSTOOD that actions have consequences, it was just that they didn’t care and that they thought it didn’t apply to them. They were applying the current administrations phiolosophy of equal distribution.

      • Sam W

        Or a mindset that “It won’t happen to me”!

        • ToadStoolManor1

          …that’s what I said, ‘it didn’t apply to them’ 8^)

  • grumpybill

    If the rotten little SOB’s were not illegally entering somebody’s home in the middle of the night, they would not have been shot!! They knew it was wrong (unless the parents failed to teach them right from wrong) and that the person living there was helpless, and an elderly person. The parents need to move on, and accept the fact that their ROTTEN kids got what was coming to them!!!!

  • Sandra Herrick

    When commenting please remember that many many parents try to raise their children to know right from wrong. But and it is a big but…………society, schools, the entertainment industry, etc. fight against us! the message from these outlets are starting to drown out parents voices. If we could raise our children in a bubble maybe all would be well. Our culture is corrupt and devouring people every day!

    • rhondareichel

      Very true….and sometimes parents get a bad seed. But it is unfathomable for them not to understand their kids reaped what they sowed. My aunt found some items under her son’s bed he stole from his neighbor and returned them. It is odd to me that parents don’t notice when their kids have money from thefts all of a sudden…..some parenting steps were probably missed here.

      • GI Joe

        When I was a toddler (about 3 years old), I shoplifted a toy derringer from a local toy store. My mom discovered it, asked me about where I got it, and, when I told her I “found it on the floor” at the store, she took me back to the store and made ME give it back to the manager and apologize. That was the end of my budding unintentional career as a thief, I guarantee you. I’m in my mid-60s, and remember that as if it was yesterday! If more parents would follow my moms’ example, I believe the problem would diminish over about 20 years as these kids grow up. And, if they teach THEIR children with clear lessons, the problem could be controlled within two generations! Of course, there’ll always be thieves among us. But the numbers could be dramatically reduced with simple methods when kids are young.

    • Ricknh8

      Your statement is total BS!!! The victim here is the elderly woman….. She has every right to expect that her home is indeed her castle. She also is permitted by God’s laws( not man’s) to protect herself and property.
      These parent’s and families have NO reason to bitch…. They failed to properly & morally raise these thugs… No tear shed for them here!!!

    • Sandy129

      Parents have the authority to keep such “entertainment” out of their homes and have plenty of the good stuff for their kids. Train them up in the Way they should go is what the Bible teaches. Any teen can comprehend “consequences” and thou shall not if they are taught but it has to start from birth. Kids that grow up in a good church are not perfect but they rarely would even consider home invasion. Training starts early on…

  • 44Magnum

    The best way to stop these criminals is to kill them. All homeowners should arm themselves and wipe out these thieves.

    • rhondareichel

      Sadly thinning the herd of psychopaths is not unreasonable….the choice of victim here speaks volumes about how dangerous these kids were.

    • Henry L

      You don’t realize how right you are!

  • Spoony

    How angry would the “neighbors” be if it was THEIR home that was broken into and or threatened? Uh huh! A different story I’ll wager! It seems our “world” is having great difficulty in discerning just who is the criminal and who is the victim! It appears the situation now days is the victim is the bad guy and the poor poor criminal gets by with murder and everything else!

  • rhondareichel

    Those kids parents should have to pay for all the items these boys previously stole—that will shut them up

    • kktex12

      Or suffer the same treatment.

    • Sam W

      And the spent bullets used to stop the crimes…….

  • Joe

    Here’s the other caption: Elderly Grandmother and Son brutally beaten to death by robbers. Police have no clues…….will these robbers do this again!

    • rhondareichel

      Probably half the teens in school with these kids knew they were burglars.

      • Robert Seamans

        Now they know what the consequences can be . Even worse than YOUTH AUTHORITY. Some would rather die than be taken back to that CYA hell hole.

      • Sam W

        I would probably put the number more at 85% or more knew they were hoodlums stealing after school. I am assuming they were still in school.

    • ch2801

      This 71 year old lady would have shot and kept shooting until they stayed down. I could not give them a chance to get too close and overpower me. Like you said, news might have been about the murdered elderly lady!

      • kktex12

        Go get ’em Grandma!!!!!

  • Rose Gumble

    I am sick of these families defending these juvenile delinquents! Don’t break the law and you won’t get shot…It’s as simple as that!

  • Name

    Time to teach the kids about GUN CONTROL – some people have it -even the elderly!!!

  • ohjohnnyoh

    Did the story reveal if the young thieves had a weapon?
    I’m sure the press will keep it out of the story, they thrive on protecting the secular progressive movement in this country.
    We as a society, should not buy from those that advertise in the newspapers and on TV
    That will sink the ailing ship of the news media.
    God Bless America, and our constitution, in particular the 2nd amendment.

    • kktex12

      It does not matter if they had a weapon or not. It was not their house and they did not belong there. They got what they deserved and it is too bad that the parents and relatives saying the elderly lady should not have shot them did not receive the same treatment. America has too many “it wasn’t their fault it was someone else’s fault” or they “were good boys”. My a–. If they were good boys why weren’t they at home? Why were they burglarizing an old lady’s home??? I guess it depends on what the parents and relatives consider good behavior.

  • aurora9

    Unfortunately, these boys had paid the ultimate price for the ‘careers’ they had chosen. Their unwise options triggered their own accountability.

    • Sam W

      And their parents HAD to know something was up when they started buying all kinds of things when they didn’t have an allowance or part time (legal) job. Did they know where their kids were at night?

    • Henry L

      Unfortunately?

  • rhondareichel

    Astounding….that one kid said maybe he was just trying to eat….I highly doubt he was starving or he would have robbed a grocery store

    • Sam W

      And probably only took money from the grocery store. Probably used the money for drugs…….

  • ste1021

    When you invade someone’s home, you may get shot. So, don’t invade someone’s home.

  • Average Joe

    Don’t do the crime if you don’t want to do the time. In this case it’s permanent. (Oh my baby’s, they never been in trouble before. She should have just let them rob and kill her. She has no right to kill them.) Please give the country A break. They were hood’s from the hood and got what they deserved.

  • ABBAsFernando

    Communist Criminals seek justification of ignoring citizen self defense, All part of the overall scam to take citizen’s weapons so as to enable NAZI take over of America. .

    Gives a high priority for Citizens defending themselves from Criminal Government.

  • jessica22

    Almost the same story as Byron Smith in Little Falls, MN.
    Thanksgiving 2012, while he was in his basement reading alone, 2 teenagers broke into his house (after multiple previous break-ins) and as they descended the basement stairs, were shot and killed.

    Last week, Byron Smith was convicted of first degree premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison… f defending his home…

    • Christie

      If you followed the case it was a little different. After they were not a threat (already shot and on the ground) he purposefully killed them (a person is permitted self defense—not to be the executioner). Additionally he waited a day and disturbed the bodies before calling the cops.

      Personally I think he was crazy, and the teens were mortally stupid. But two different cases here.

      • Sam W

        But had his place been broken into before (multiple times) and the police did nothing? Do you wonder why he may have been pushed OVER THE EDGE?! It’s violating to have YOUR HOME broken into by hoodlums.

        • Christie

          It is. That happened to my family when I was a small child. We bought two dogs and got window locks. Deterrence. Costs less than a murder trial.

          • Henry L

            I kind of agree with you, but one should not HAVE TO spend extra money to keep from getting broken into. Criminals need to get punished and, if necessary, killed.

          • Nathan51

            Putting increasing pressure on law abiding citizens with the “deterrence” argument will eventually mean law abiding citizens will be the ones living in a prison of their own making while criminals freely roam our streets. I want the criminals to be the ones living in fear. Fear that every time they break into a house, car, attempt to rob or assault it may be the last time they do anything on this earth! That fear should be frequently reenforced in every community with real world examples.

          • Christie

            I agree with you. However the homeowners must act reasonably. Shoot to stop the threat, if the person dies so be it, but the intent must be to stop the threat. Then call the police within a reasonable amount of time. Not the next day.

            Byron Smith failed the reasonable man test. He killed the intruders after they were no longer a threat to him and waited a day to call the police. Those two things combined with the video he had and his inability to keep silent sealed his fate.

            Defend your home. Defend your life and the lives of those you love. Be careful to act in a reasonable manner that is defensible in court. If you are arrested, get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut.

          • Nathan51

            I totally agree!

  • Nathan51

    Sorry but your little idiot kid DID deserve to die! If you don’t think anything in that house was worth dieing for there is a very easy solution; DON’T Break INTO HER HOUSE!!!! You break into any house you obviously don’t value your life so don’t expect anyone else to value it either! If one of these punks had beaten this old lady to death during the break in the same worthless family would be getting face time on the news telling everyone what little darlings their little kids were and how it was just an unfortunate accident. Good shooting dude; you may very well have saved the life of an innocent victim. It was just a matter of time.

    • Henry L

      I totally agree with your assessment. Very well put.

    • http://twitter.com/rulken kenneth russell

      I agree with you Nathan51. These burglars knew full well, that what they were doing was wrong and dangerous. That’s why they were trying to victimize this woman late at night! They didn’t go to her house in broad daylight, knock on her front door, and then ask if they could come in and steal whatever they wanted did they! Nope,, they knew what they were doing all right, and there was no good in it!

  • DOOM161

    I don’t feel bad for the families. They should have taught the turds not to commit crimes. If they were killed playing on a busy highway would their parents blame the driver?

    • Nathan51

      Yep, idiots like these WOULD probably blame the driver.

  • Sam W

    And why were the parent allowing their hoodlums OUT AT NIGHT? You cannot convince me they were not aware that the two boys weren’t out! Maybe if they had done better parenting the boys would be alive today. And what were the criminals doing will the money they got for their illegal activities? DRUGS? Maybe the parent should be investigated…..

    • Yacca

      Sam, I sooo agree with you. I think parents should start being held accountable for the minors they have living in their midst. If they can’t handle the child, it’s time NOW to step in and put them in a rehab center. We need to teach ethics, morals, values, and well wait… uh… that would mean Eric Holder and Barry Hussein wouldn’t be able to pick and choose their laws to uphold…. Ok, well nevermind then, we have a pos potus that is above the law, how can we expect to demand our little precious bad boyz to do anything less!! So I say it’s on the potus’ head.

  • colleenf

    The homeowner was protecting life and property from evil. And just removed from an evil gene from the human gene pool.
    Maybe look at the parenting a little closer.

    • Nathan51

      Every now and then you need to pour a little bleach into the gene pool to properly sanitize it!

  • Henry L

    “Two teen age boys are dead. It is a sad story”. Not the way I look at it. I see it as two future criminals are dead, and to me that is the opposite of a sad story. And do not forget that the death of these punks may very well prevent others from going the wrong way in life.

  • Wendy Allen

    Stealing doesn’t get the death penalty, killing does. She is not better than them. Possessions …are not important in life as much as life. Love all..even the enemy. They did not try to kill her. Security system on the house may have helped. People with guns should not be judge/jury about who should live. I don’t believe in the death penalty also. I wish people did not have guns.

    • Yacca

      Wendy, I appreciate your thoughts, but how does anyone know what a burglar is going to do? A security system is a monthly utility bill that she might not be able to afford, And the comment about being the judge can be countered with the fact that the two burglars removed all judgement calls when they forced their way into the woman’s house. Those two ‘precious little boys’ thought to remove anything they felt entitled to, including her life. When it backfires, people come out of the woodwork, like insects do, to admonish those who protect themselves with similar weapons that the criminal has. This article doesn’t say what weapons these two big bad boyz had on them but they at least had a crowbar or screwdriver. Wendy, precious Wendy, would you like to be 75 yrs old or even 35 yrs old and stumble out of bed from a deep sleep to face attackers who are wide awake and full of energy, hatred, malice, and envy? Weapons were developed for our protection. Sometimes that means that the guilty criminal gets shot in the face. Sorry your feelings are hurt Wendy. Have a nice evening the next time you are scared out of your wits. Don’t get any weapons, dogs, security system… treat yourself as this woman was treated, THEN come back and tell us how vitally important it is to not have guns, if you can speak and are even alive.

      • Wendy Allen

        HI, People have shot their own kids, thinking it was a burglar. Guns are not the answer. She didn’t have to shoot to kill, but maybe the leg. I will let God protect me. Guns don’t belong concealed or in homes/cars etc. She is not the judge of their fate. People can’t take possessions to heaven also. She can get help to stop them.

        • Nathan51

          Yeah, all they had to do is shoot in the leg! See how that works for you when you face assault and other charges. You obviously know nothing about self defense, the Castle Doctrine or anything else connected with how the courts view the use of deadly force. If you perceive your life in danger but use less than deadly force a jury will immediately conclude your life was not really in danger so you loose! I always hope idiots like you or your immediate family are the next victim of violent criminals. That is the only thing that will get your attention if that is even possible! I have seen too many elderly people beaten to death by punks just like these two when they were home during a home invasion. Tell me, how do you replace their lives or do you, as a bleeding heart Leftist, even give a fat rat’s @$$ about them?

          • Wendy Allen

            Bless the enemy..wish them only what you would want for you. People don’t get it…God is real…can help/protect etc. Taking measures into your own hands…decide if they should live or die is not ok. She can get a dog that barks…or lights that turn on or leave TV on etc. Killing is not the answer. People get hurt with their own guns also. People have been shot that knocked on the door for help after a car accident that they survived. Innocent people are getting hurt. It brings the ghetto problems into all areas…will be like a war zone soon.

          • Frederikahere

            It sounds as if you’ve never been the victim of a violent or invasive crime.
            Also, you keep talking about “innocent people” getting hurt by guns. I don’t think that applies to those two teens.
            Hope your naivete doesn’t get you killed.

          • Wendy Allen

            Hi, No one should need a gun. That is “over kill”. Just stop the problem. There was an old lady in a car who a guy was trying to rob. She talked to him and helped him and he did not hurt her or take anything. She talked to him like a loving parent. I would love to see more loving people.

          • Frederikahere

            Well, please tell us where the magic wand to stop the problem is and we’ll be happy to use it.
            Not every criminal is willing to be talked to by a loving surrogate parent. I also wish there were more loving people in the world, especially the ones who break into elderly women’s homes.’

          • Wendy Allen

            God has power. Treat others well and they may treat you well. Ask God to bless them. Guns in cars/under clothes/houses…to me escalate the problems.

          • Frederikahere

            God helps those who help themselves.

          • AZ Rocks

            Ghetto problems? Interesting choice of words. You seem far removed from reality. You may need to visit the “GHETTO” and see what good you can do for “THOSE” people to improve your long term outlook on actual life experiences.

          • Wendy Allen

            HI, People used to hear about shootings only in the ghetto..now anywhere. I try to people as much as I can on this earth. Guns and killing is not the answer. I am not racist..love all..try to help all. Assumptions are not helpful.

          • Nathan51

            Like I said and I will say again; I sincerely hope you and/or a member of your immediate family are victims of your own stupidity. You, however, don’t have the right to try and make the rest of us victims of YOUR stupidity!!!!!

        • Yacca

          Wendy, guns are the burglars answer!! They won’t shoot you in the leg. God can protect you, yes, HE can. I’m a devout Christian that has seen many Christians die from cancer, and we ask God to protect them as well but they do pass away anyway. God will not protect you if you fall off a two story roof. You will get hurt Wendy. Don’t even have to lock your doors because God will take care of you?? I hope your search for this answer doesn’t result in you getting hurt or killed.

          • Wendy Allen

            I also believe people can attract their greatest fear and Karma or Golden rule..Bible..what you do to others may happen to you. All people don’t need guns…that causes more of a problem. God real and does protect. Guns to me are not the answer. I hate to even kill a bug.

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    • BigTnTDaddy

      Wendy – Permission Granted! Go ahead and let the perps have their way with you. Nobody will stop you. Just don’t shove your hypocritical touchy-feely ideals upon the rest of us. In my house, I am the King. That does make me judge, jury, and if the shot is well-placed, executioner. Don’t like my rules? Don’t break into my castle. Simple as that. Yes, I called you hypocritical. As you stated you are against the death penalty, so as a bleeding heart Lib, you are most likely pro-abortion.
      Also, as Yacca stated, they may not be able to afford a security system and its monthly bills. As Obama says, one must prioritize their monthly budget in order to pay for their health insurance. (Telemundo Town Hall airing, Mar 6th)

  • http://twitter.com/rulken kenneth russell

    These burglars were on a corse with prison, or death, long before this, (victim), woman ever fire a single bullet! Bleeding liberals need to get their heads out of their asses, and realize that when you break into someones house, or car you are flirting with the possibility of being shot to death.
    Of course there are people here that want to say just wound them, (that only works for the police, sometimes). The gun grabbers say it’s the guns fault. those and many more are only excuses. That fact is that people are murdered in their own homes if they are not prepared to defend themselves as this woman was.
    Stop listening to those that would put the blame on those that are responsible, and perhaps if these boys were taught the virtues of respecting other people, and their property, they would be alive today. Nine times out of ten, it is the parents fault for not teaching their children to be responsible for their own actions!

  • Tim

    I feel bad for the parents, but those two teens knew what they were doing. They were the ones who decided to break the law – nobody forced them to do it.

    They, and they alone, are responsible for their deaths.

  • Red_Ruffansore

    They earned a dirt nap. Their parents should be sentenced to hard labor for raising gutter snipes that are not licensed or leashed.

  • Wilbor Gavin

    These parents want someone to blame , look in the Mirror. Had they have taught there teens to respect others property and privacy they would be alive today.

  • Tom Townsend II

    Too bad, so sad… Someone, regardless of age, position or any other factors, breaks into a home, business or commits any other crime(s), it is on the criminals who committed the crime(s) as to what happens to them, not their intended victims. Believe me, if someone broke into my home, a family member’s home or business, or any of my friends’ homes or businesses; whether it is a grown up, a teenager, a child breaking in or committing some other such crime(s); or some idiot local, state or federal officer(s) using a no knock/no warrant entry, rather than let possible harm come to the victims of such an illegal act, I would without hesitation or regret kill any and every such invading criminal(s) in the defense of their intended victim(s) and of myself using any means available, be it knife, gun, club, strangulation, axe, hammer, automobile, or the bloody end of the thug’s own arm or leg.

    If the government or the family members or neighbors of these thugs get upset by this, again, that is just too dadgum bad. They should have taken steps to make sure the, by then, dead thugs did not commit these crimes; maybe by locking them away and teaching them not to do these things. If I and mine are left alone, we leave others alone in return.

    And by the way, this also goes for any of the murderous scumbag Islamist morons who seem so insistent that everyone become Islamic whether they want to or not.

    The U.S. military taught me to easily accept the deaths of an enemy; be it one idiot facing me with a knife, bare handed or with a rifle or several million people attempting to murder millions of my fellow citizens, including my own friends and family members. I still hold true to this training, even if it ever comes to razing Mecca, Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood and Sisterhood, the PLO, Hamas or any other such Muslim enemies.

  • howe joseph

    Only in the liberal world and pockets of irresponsible people are their varying degrees of evil depending on who is getting damaged. Some people can’t deal with the fact that they may have had more to do with the crime than their children by ignoring good parenting practices. Rare is the criminal who has had a responsible upbringing.

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