Former GOP congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) has run for President multiple times both as a Republican and as a Libertarian, and today he’s not happy with either of his former parties. The problem, in Dr. Paul’s opinion, is that none of the parties really offer a different path forward than their opponents. In studying both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, what Dr. Paul sees is two authoritarians looking for the POWER to make change in their own image. That’s not what the Presidency is supposed to be. Sadly, for Dr. Paul, the Libertarian candidates for President and Vice President are not that much better.
Listen as Dr. Ron Paul describes what ails the nation.
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Mika Brzezinski: There is, I guess, a third party option. I mean, is it worth talking about?
Ron Paul: Well, I guess you’re talking about the Libertarian Party maybe?
Mika Brzezinski: Yeah, maybe. What do you think?
Ron Paul: So, well, I’m looking for a second party, because I see the Republicans and Democrats, and all they fight and scream at each other. Policies never change. The size and scope of the executive branch, which is a big concern for me, keeps growing no matter which candidate, and whether — quite frankly, whether it’s Hillary or Trump.
I think they believe in a strong executive, and that’s opposite of libertarianism. But the libertarian principle of non-aggression, that is where government can’t use force to mold a society or the economy or tell other people how to live around the world, I would say that’s a great principle.
Mika Brzezinski: Yeah.
Ron Paul: I’m not overly enthralled with the candidates, but that principle is really worthwhile and the opposite of what we’ve been living with, and an opposite of the ideas that have brought us to this point where we are now facing bankruptcy. And nobody is talking about the seriousness of the economy and the bankruptcy we face.
Mika Brzezinski: In fact, what they are talking about is they — they are both attacking each other and it’s almost a race to how low things can go, based on the Trump side.
I know you don’t feel these candidates who are in — Gary Johnson, Bill Weld, they are really more than a shrug. Is there any possibility for anybody else at this point?
We send hundreds of thousands of people and spend trillions going overseas, and saying, we’re going to throw out your dictator, and we’re going to force you have to democracy and elections. Then they have elections and we throw them out, because they’re not our guy.
This country, we do not really have democracy. I mean, even if we were really, really super happy with the Libertarian candidate, you think they’d get into the debates? No, the debates are run by the Republicans and Democrats.
They’d find a way of excluding them. So, that’s — that’s not going to happen, unless you’re a billionaire and can put enough pressure, and the media capitulate and say, hey, maybe we ought to talk to a third-party candidate…
But no. Overall, foreign policy won’t change with either party in a significant manner. Spending is going to continue. Government intervention of the Federal Reserve is going to keep manipulating interest rates, and never facing up to the fact that this country has lived way beyond its means. And the debt is incomprehensible and all we know is it’s going to grow and grow.
And I think the fighting, the personal fighting is a distraction from the real issue, which is personal liberty and the bankruptcy of this country and the failure of our foreign policy. That’s where the problem is.
Nicole Wallace: Sir, just speaking up on some of that. You ran against a rigged political establishment well before it was cool.
What do you think, though, about the fact that Donald Trump, having run against a rigged political system, a rigged economy that you’ve just described, and Bernie Sanders is still in the race, running a revolution — which might be something that you would have called your movements of the time.
I mean, they’ve gone pretty far. Do you think that there is — do you think we’re on the cusp of seeing things shaken up from what you describe?
Ron Paul: Yeah, I think it’s — yeah. No, I think that’s very good that the independent candidates, because Sanders doesn’t even admit he’s a Democrat. He’s a socialist. And Trump, nobody said that — accused him of being overly supportive of Republicans.
And the evidence is that he wasn’t much of a Republican in the past. He was whatever he wanted to be. So there’s an independent. But I don’t think that’s what the people are looking at. They’re looking at the disgust of the current system, the current Republican leadership, the current Democratic leadership, the economy, failure of the foreign policy, the way we treat our veterans.
They look at all of this, and yet, it has drifted into this personal bickering back and forth. It’s almost like, you know, I think — I put a little blame on the media. They like this bickering, because it’s good for ratings. They need to hit the important issues.
You know, what are you going to do about it? And I think that will come. I think, maybe, after the primaries are over, maybe they will get to the real questions that ought to be asked.
Mika Brzezinski: Well, they’ve been asked. I mean, they just haven’t been answered.
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